What are your thoughts on the Lemmy ecosystem? I’ve been trying it out for the
last week. I have my own opinions, but I’d like to hear others and see if we
have common ideas on what is good/bad/indifferent about the Lemmy ecosystem.
I dunno, I keep seeing almost only propaganda whenever my country in mentioned and it gets defended a lot because “muh left”, and it’s really off putting.
If I wanted misinformation and disinformation, reddit is already filled with bots that do that whenever the goverment is criticised and mods that do nothing against those bots.
Fully agreed. Lemmy‘s developers being tankies influences the whole ecosystem negatively. The strong presence of FOSS activists here adds another group of ideologues. Even mods outside lemmy.ml will moderate along similar hard ideological lines. Political content is often an echo chamber on lemmy. Downvotes for disagreements are the norm. The mods are more arbitrary than even those on Reddit. I’ve seen many times how they delete posts and replies, just because they offer disagreeing information. There are lots of unwritten arbitrary rules. Users are banned and the communities they founded are deleted with all their posts. I’ve seen lots of useful content removed through this mechanism. Overall moderation is far more arbitrary here than on Reddit.
Most other Reddit alternatives were filled with racists and cp. Lemmy is a haven for tankies.
Gotta have to fully agree with you.
I don’t mind it so much since we’re just borrowing the admins’ servers, so it’s expected for the reasons to be arbitrary, but as I keep seeing the same astrosurfing over here and reddit (people defending my country’s goverment just because they call themselves leftists) it becomes annoying…
And there’s not even content that feels worth to me (except the star trek guys, their memes are constantly high quality) so I end up going back to reddit since it’s all the same. At least on Bluesky I’ve found some people to follow.
We insult redditors and the website, but I fail to see what’s different over here.
True. I have only found one community on lemmy that‘s better than its Reddit equivalent. !politicalcompassmemes@lemmy.world isn’t swamped with fascists.
Just like previous Reddit alternatives quickly became refuges for fascists and jailbait, Lemmy is a refuge for tankies. They can say here, that would get them banned from Reddit. So a considerable part of the users here are of the more extreme sort in the first place.
The arbitrary moderation here makes it less attractive to post something of substance. You’re just one mod’s click away from it all being deleted. Reddit at least keeps your account, posts, and bookmarks around, if you get banned. Sure you can get around this by hosting your own instance, but that’s a ton of work.
The lower amount of content is an advantage in one way. Endless doomscrolling becomes repetitive quickly.
The important thing about the fediverse is that you can federate with Lemmy but use an alternative platform. If you don’t like the devs of Lemmy there is mbin and piefed
Reddit has its own “left-lite” communities (called left lite because they definitely aren’t as far left as grad or ml) that are very popular and hit the front page constantly. The difference is that Lemmy leftists are intolerant of liberals (and vice-versa).
Hopefully a bit better balance is struck here but I’ve been able to curate my feed to make liberal-leftist conflict less visible.
If you want, I can DM you. But I think the Lemmy.world defederated list is a fairly good starting point and then just block overly political subs if you get tired of seeing it.
I don’t know if this is worth my time. It’s not just lemmy.ml and hexbear. lemmy.world, solarpunk, and feddit.org are also affected for example.
sh.itjust.works seems to be the exception. Answers that are tolerated in !noncredibledefense@sh.itjust.works get deleted or users banned on world, worldnews, news, and similar. I’m strictly talking about posts that don’t violate any written rules.
I suspect this is a major reason why lemmy isn’t more popular and growth has stalled. The core users are free software true believers and Marxist fundamentalists and want to stay among themselves.
I would say it’s still worth reporting. I don’t follow news or politics very closely, but having propaganda reported is always useful.
I suspect this is a major reason why lemmy isn’t more popular and growth has stalled. The core users are free software true believers and Marxist fundamentalists and want to stay among themselves.
I don’t think so. I’ve contacted a few mods from different subreddits to ask to create one post to talk about Lemmy, and how it could be an alternative to Reddit enshittification, all of them have been negative.
People are not magically going to learn about Lemmy if the platform which is the most similar does not allow to talk about it: https://sopuli.xyz/post/17981609
Reddit has a ton of propaganda, too. You won’t escape it online. It’s worse on Reddit though because it’s bigger, so a more obvious target to astroturf.
The funny thing is, the propaganda about my country’s goverment on reddit is exactly the same on here and they follow the same arguments, so to me it’s the same site with a lot less interesting content… So far.
I dunno, I keep seeing almost only propaganda whenever my country in mentioned and it gets defended a lot because “muh left”, and it’s really off putting.
If I wanted misinformation and disinformation, reddit is already filled with bots that do that whenever the goverment is criticised and mods that do nothing against those bots.
Fully agreed. Lemmy‘s developers being tankies influences the whole ecosystem negatively. The strong presence of FOSS activists here adds another group of ideologues. Even mods outside lemmy.ml will moderate along similar hard ideological lines. Political content is often an echo chamber on lemmy. Downvotes for disagreements are the norm. The mods are more arbitrary than even those on Reddit. I’ve seen many times how they delete posts and replies, just because they offer disagreeing information. There are lots of unwritten arbitrary rules. Users are banned and the communities they founded are deleted with all their posts. I’ve seen lots of useful content removed through this mechanism. Overall moderation is far more arbitrary here than on Reddit.
Most other Reddit alternatives were filled with racists and cp. Lemmy is a haven for tankies.
Gotta have to fully agree with you.
I don’t mind it so much since we’re just borrowing the admins’ servers, so it’s expected for the reasons to be arbitrary, but as I keep seeing the same astrosurfing over here and reddit (people defending my country’s goverment just because they call themselves leftists) it becomes annoying…
And there’s not even content that feels worth to me (except the star trek guys, their memes are constantly high quality) so I end up going back to reddit since it’s all the same. At least on Bluesky I’ve found some people to follow.
We insult redditors and the website, but I fail to see what’s different over here.
True. I have only found one community on lemmy that‘s better than its Reddit equivalent. !politicalcompassmemes@lemmy.world isn’t swamped with fascists.
Just like previous Reddit alternatives quickly became refuges for fascists and jailbait, Lemmy is a refuge for tankies. They can say here, that would get them banned from Reddit. So a considerable part of the users here are of the more extreme sort in the first place.
The arbitrary moderation here makes it less attractive to post something of substance. You’re just one mod’s click away from it all being deleted. Reddit at least keeps your account, posts, and bookmarks around, if you get banned. Sure you can get around this by hosting your own instance, but that’s a ton of work.
The lower amount of content is an advantage in one way. Endless doomscrolling becomes repetitive quickly.
The important thing about the fediverse is that you can federate with Lemmy but use an alternative platform. If you don’t like the devs of Lemmy there is mbin and piefed
Reddit has its own “left-lite” communities (called left lite because they definitely aren’t as far left as grad or ml) that are very popular and hit the front page constantly. The difference is that Lemmy leftists are intolerant of liberals (and vice-versa). Hopefully a bit better balance is struck here but I’ve been able to curate my feed to make liberal-leftist conflict less visible.
Would you share your blocklist?
If you want, I can DM you. But I think the Lemmy.world defederated list is a fairly good starting point and then just block overly political subs if you get tired of seeing it.
Thanks
Feel free to report such behavior on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
I don’t know if this is worth my time. It’s not just lemmy.ml and hexbear. lemmy.world, solarpunk, and feddit.org are also affected for example.
sh.itjust.works seems to be the exception. Answers that are tolerated in !noncredibledefense@sh.itjust.works get deleted or users banned on world, worldnews, news, and similar. I’m strictly talking about posts that don’t violate any written rules.
I suspect this is a major reason why lemmy isn’t more popular and growth has stalled. The core users are free software true believers and Marxist fundamentalists and want to stay among themselves.
I would say it’s still worth reporting. I don’t follow news or politics very closely, but having propaganda reported is always useful.
I don’t think so. I’ve contacted a few mods from different subreddits to ask to create one post to talk about Lemmy, and how it could be an alternative to Reddit enshittification, all of them have been negative.
People are not magically going to learn about Lemmy if the platform which is the most similar does not allow to talk about it: https://sopuli.xyz/post/17981609
Reddit has a ton of propaganda, too. You won’t escape it online. It’s worse on Reddit though because it’s bigger, so a more obvious target to astroturf.
The funny thing is, the propaganda about my country’s goverment on reddit is exactly the same on here and they follow the same arguments, so to me it’s the same site with a lot less interesting content… So far.