Hey Community,

Since I just read a post about the X11 vs. Wayland situation I’m questioning if I should stay on X11, or switch to Wayland. Regarding this decision, I’m asking you for your opinions plus please answer me a few questions. I will put further information about my systems at the bottom.

  • What are the advantages of Wayland? What are the disadvantages?
  • I do mostly music production, programming, browsing, etc, but occasionally I’m back into gaming (on the desktop). How’s performance there? Anything that might break?
  • what would be the best way to migrate?
  • why have/haven’t you made the switch?

Desktop: Ryzen 3100, 16 Gig Ram, Rx 570 Arch Linux with KDE 144 hz Freesync Monitor and 60hz shitty monitor

laptop: Thinkpad L540 (iirc), i3 4100, 8 GB Ram intel uhd630 gfx (iirc) Arch Linux with heavily customized i3-gaps

  • Cornelius@lemmy.ml
    81·
    10 months ago

    Nobody’s requiring you to use Wayland currently, I mean realistically name a Wayland-only app (excluding the ones like remote desktop apps that are replacing X11 apps that don’t work at all on Wayland), they don’t exist. But with new technologies will always be growing pains, the X11 -> Wayland transition will still be another few years I imagine, I mean at this point we’re really only waiting on NVIDIA 🫠. It’s a painful process, but one that is only so painful because it’s been put off for so long, if we put it off for any longer it would’ve just been even worse.

    • michaelrose@lemmy.ml
      7·
      10 months ago

      It’s painful because the developers took 14 years to produce something semi usable while ignoring incredibly common use cases and features for approximately the first 10 -12 years of development

      • Cornelius@lemmy.ml
        41·
        10 months ago

        Well, such is the downfall of OSS, I mean look at VR on Linux, Mesa straight up will hard crash if you try to run SteamVR on the latest versions, and the time it takes for VR related bugs in Mesa to get patched are insanely long.

        Just gotta make a hubub about it until someone with the knowhow can fix it.

    • Mnglw@beehaw.org
      3·
      10 months ago

      Nobody’s requiring it until devs start not supporting X11 anymore and start saying things like “won’t fix, use Wayland”. Which is already happening

      See: GNOME’s response to a critical GTK4 bug on x11 that makes any program using GTK4 unusable on certain devices under x11

      • Cornelius@lemmy.ml
        32·
        10 months ago

        I think that’s a little bit premature for GNOME to do, though I have to ask, what “certain devices” are we talking about?

        • Mnglw@beehaw.org
          1·
          10 months ago

          certain hardware configurations. I have two computers on linux. One of them has issues with GTK4, the other one doesn’t. The only difference between these machines is hardware.

          And yeah, I agree that’s premature for them to do

          • Cornelius@lemmy.ml
            1·
            10 months ago

            certain hardware configurations. I have two computers on linux. One of them has issues with GTK4, the other one doesn’t. The only difference between these machines is hardware.

            Right, what are the “certain hardware” configurations? Are they really old? Are they really niche?

            • Mnglw@beehaw.org
              2·
              10 months ago

              if I knew what exactly was causing it hardware wise I would have a way to fix it, and I don’t

              given GNOME’s solution is “use Wayland” (which I can’t for a variety of reasons) I don’t think I can ever figure out what the problem is. Their attitude from the start is already non helpful.

              all I know is my hardware isn’t niche nor really really old. And Im not the only one experiencing this