• pivot_root@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    Trump may win election because he is more progressive on Ukraine.

    More “progressive” by… giving Putin what he asks for?

    If Trump wins, Ukraine can both say goodbye to any support from the US and watch as Trump lifts sanctions against Russia and turns a blind eye to any arms manufacturers that want to make a quick buck by selling to both sides.

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      18 hours ago

      The only deflationary policy whatsoever Trump has is peace in Ukraine. Everything else ruins the country. That said, the Ukraine war is extreme evil and of zero benefit to ordinary Americans. Russia doesn’t buy arms from US, and Ukraine only accepts gifts. Russia is only side in this war that has ever offered reasonable peace. Provocation and disinformation was deliberate.

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        17 hours ago

        Trump doesn’t want peace. He’s a narcissistic wannabe oligarch who licks the boots and sucks the toes of people he perceives as powerful.

        Whatever momentary “peace” comes out of his hypothetical second term is a consequence of dropping any and all support for Ukraine and backing away from defense treaties. He can and will give a plausibly-deniable green light for Russia to do whatever they see fit to “end” the war and annex neighboring countries. That’s not peace—that’s the setup for decades of violent revolutions with even more violent responses.

        Russia is only side in this war that has ever offered reasonable peace.

        Right, so: if I mugged someone and stabbed them, then offered to not stab them again if they let me keep their wallet and threw in their car keys as well, that’s peace?

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          Ukraine can get the same peace deal they signed at start of war, and were told prior to war. Just with less land than they used to have. It is inhumane to let the nazis have control over regions they hate anyway, and everyone is better off for ending the evil. That Trump/Russia would ally to take more of Europe is a far fetched fearmongering experiment that justified Ukraine’s puppet provocation for the war.

          Trump paid to lick Netanyahu’s toes is a real concern. Doing the right thing on Ukraine peace enables more stupidity elsewhere in the world.

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            35 minutes ago

            A “deal” suggests there’s some sort of consideration for both parties. If the options presented can be boiled down to “give up your land” or “be shelled until we take it from you,” that’s not a deal—it’s a threat.

            Furthermore, you’re asserting that at least a regional subset of Ukrainians are fascists (“nazis”). That’s not a very nuanced stance, and those claims are not authoritative on their own, nor have they come with proof, let alone proof from an unbiased source.