The West is trying to destabilize the situation in Georgia, and snipers trained in Ukraine are arriving in the country to organize provocations during mass protests, sources in the region familiar with the matter told Sputnik on Monday.
If Georgian communists, and Ukrainian communists got beaten down, imagine the situation for communists in Europe, or even worse, the US.
This is just Western exceptionalism talking.
In Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Ukraine, Georgia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, etc communist parties and periodicals are banned, WW2 veterans are harassed and arrested for wearing their uniforms or putting flowers at WW2 monuments, wearing communist symbols can land you in jail, and an overwhelming foreign capital is making sure those rules are in place and no competing thought is allowed in press.
While in the EU, UK, USA, communist parties are allowed to operate mostly unmolested by the government, they publish their newspapers, organise protests and so on…
You’re right that Georgian and Ukrainian communists got beaten down, nobody’s “beating down” British or French communists though, are they? But I’m supposed to “imagine the situation for communists in Europe, or even worse, the US” like you have it worse somehow.
Yes, communist movements in Europe and the US are getting suppressed. The violent phase occured 60-70 years ago. Now whatever is left is getting infiltrated and chopped up immediately through psyops. They are allowed to operate “unmolested” because they’ve been suppressed to hell and are now just husks used to sheepdog and manipulate people.
Take a look at Greece. KKE is vehemently anti-government but nobody cares to listen to it or takes it seriously, because there’s constant infighting for nonsensical reasons. That’s the controlled parts of the leadership constantly creating issues to prevent unified action. Any efforts by other communist movements are quickly destroyed by planting provocateurs in their marches and actions. Any spontaneous protest is immediately and violently suppressed by police forces. Similar things are happening in France, Spain and Germany.
Don’t get me started on the state of communist movements in the US and the UK.
I’d suggest you take a look at the history of communism in all these places and understand that what is happening to all the former Soviet countries now, has already happened after 1945 all over the West.
This is just Western exceptionalism talking.
I said I’m not going to pretend Western communist movements are perfect. But you are quick to blame the strawman Western communist for imperialism. That’s nothing more than sectarianism.
Yeah, Western communists ought to take up arms. But what arms? We are talking about extremely diminished movements in a fairly demotivated population, fighting against tanks, jets and drones. In countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece, the communists tried to fight in the last century and failed. They are still carrying the stigma to this day. And yeah, a bunch of movements are bought for or otherwise institutionalized. How is that the fault of an everyday communist?
Lastly, you blame Western communists of decrying “all Ukrainians” as Nazis. Yet, you do the same exact thing by lumping all Western communists in the same basket.
While in the EU, UK, USA, communist parties are allowed to operate mostly unmolested by the government
The only reason you can legally have a communist party in the U.S., for example, is because this already happened decades ago:
Decades of meddling, coup attemps, dirty money, foreign NGOs, relentless propaganda campaigns, building “occupation museums” to brainwash the young about their past… And when the country is finally beaten into submission
The FBI did plenty of “meddling,” to put it lightly, with American leftist groups. Leaders of these groups were targeted in various ways, including assassination (see Fred Hampton).
The repression coming from inside the house didn’t make it any less repressive.
Seems like you haven’t read what happened with the Black Panther’s leadership.
In case you are interested in reading the context behind MarxMadness comment, you can search for the COINTELPRO program, which aimed to “expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize” groups like the Black Panthers.
It does explain why people can’t organize two generations later in the imperial core and exhibit all of the characteristics within the Red Sails article. Hell, it even explains why some if not most communist parties in the global north lack any revolutionary spirit and are just reduced to some socdem party(example Communist Party of Japan).
The cointelpro program never died but evolved to disturb popular movements and organization at this moment. The red scare lives on. However, fortunately, all of this doesn’t apply to the same extent for the Global South.
It is not asinine at all. It is true that labour organizers get assassinated in the Global South but this is done with the help of the imperialists. Just take a look at the history of fascists dictatorships in latin america to see this unfold.
With this in mind, places where the imperialist influence is currently weak show a fertile ground for socialist revolutions and this is actively happening in the Global South.
This is just Western exceptionalism talking.
In Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Ukraine, Georgia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, etc communist parties and periodicals are banned, WW2 veterans are harassed and arrested for wearing their uniforms or putting flowers at WW2 monuments, wearing communist symbols can land you in jail, and an overwhelming foreign capital is making sure those rules are in place and no competing thought is allowed in press.
While in the EU, UK, USA, communist parties are allowed to operate mostly unmolested by the government, they publish their newspapers, organise protests and so on…
You’re right that Georgian and Ukrainian communists got beaten down, nobody’s “beating down” British or French communists though, are they? But I’m supposed to “imagine the situation for communists in Europe, or even worse, the US” like you have it worse somehow.
Yes, communist movements in Europe and the US are getting suppressed. The violent phase occured 60-70 years ago. Now whatever is left is getting infiltrated and chopped up immediately through psyops. They are allowed to operate “unmolested” because they’ve been suppressed to hell and are now just husks used to sheepdog and manipulate people.
Take a look at Greece. KKE is vehemently anti-government but nobody cares to listen to it or takes it seriously, because there’s constant infighting for nonsensical reasons. That’s the controlled parts of the leadership constantly creating issues to prevent unified action. Any efforts by other communist movements are quickly destroyed by planting provocateurs in their marches and actions. Any spontaneous protest is immediately and violently suppressed by police forces. Similar things are happening in France, Spain and Germany.
Don’t get me started on the state of communist movements in the US and the UK.
I’d suggest you take a look at the history of communism in all these places and understand that what is happening to all the former Soviet countries now, has already happened after 1945 all over the West.
I said I’m not going to pretend Western communist movements are perfect. But you are quick to blame the strawman Western communist for imperialism. That’s nothing more than sectarianism.
Yeah, Western communists ought to take up arms. But what arms? We are talking about extremely diminished movements in a fairly demotivated population, fighting against tanks, jets and drones. In countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece, the communists tried to fight in the last century and failed. They are still carrying the stigma to this day. And yeah, a bunch of movements are bought for or otherwise institutionalized. How is that the fault of an everyday communist?
Lastly, you blame Western communists of decrying “all Ukrainians” as Nazis. Yet, you do the same exact thing by lumping all Western communists in the same basket.
The only reason you can legally have a communist party in the U.S., for example, is because this already happened decades ago:
Meddling and coup attempts by who? Ukrainians? Poles? Who the fuck couped the US? Are you high?
The FBI did plenty of “meddling,” to put it lightly, with American leftist groups. Leaders of these groups were targeted in various ways, including assassination (see Fred Hampton).
The repression coming from inside the house didn’t make it any less repressive.
Seems like you haven’t read what happened with the Black Panther’s leadership.
In case you are interested in reading the context behind MarxMadness comment, you can search for the COINTELPRO program, which aimed to “expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize” groups like the Black Panthers.
OMG of course I know what happened to Black Panthers, this doesn’t explain why you can’t organise two generations later. Read Sakai or Zak Cope.
It does explain why people can’t organize two generations later in the imperial core and exhibit all of the characteristics within the Red Sails article. Hell, it even explains why some if not most communist parties in the global north lack any revolutionary spirit and are just reduced to some socdem party(example Communist Party of Japan).
The cointelpro program never died but evolved to disturb popular movements and organization at this moment. The red scare lives on. However, fortunately, all of this doesn’t apply to the same extent for the Global South.
This is asinine, labour organisers get assassinated in the Global South.
It is not asinine at all. It is true that labour organizers get assassinated in the Global South but this is done with the help of the imperialists. Just take a look at the history of fascists dictatorships in latin america to see this unfold.
With this in mind, places where the imperialist influence is currently weak show a fertile ground for socialist revolutions and this is actively happening in the Global South.