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my bad…

-manitcor

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    I think that anyone who’s been around reddit long enough knew this was coming. Reddit isn’t a free and open platform, and never was. The admins allowed moderators free reign just so long as they didn’t do anything that reddit didn’t want.

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      This wouldn’t be a proper Reddit replacement if an anonymous user didn’t take the time out of his day to type that “free rein” was the correct spelling here

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        Well damnit you are right - in both that it’s not proper reddit replacement without grammar nazis, and that “free rein” is the usual term. It could be argued that reign also works in this case because some moderators seemed to be under the impression that they were unchallenged kings within their subreddit kingdoms.

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        It is?? I’ve been typing it wrong my whole life.

        I’m still writing ‘reign’ though.

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          I think “reign” is like “rule”. - A king reigns over his people.

          “Rein” is the thing that horse cart drivers use to control the horses. So the rope that goes from horses mouth to drivers hand. You can either “rein (in) the horses” for them to do something, or you can let them “free rein”, meaning they can run as they please.

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      So far Spez’s legacy includes, in no particular order:

      • Changing other peoples’ comments
      • Starting a war with the 3rd party app devs who made reddit the easily accessible platform it is (browsing reddit on the toilet wasn’t nearly as common before the first apps came out, and all of the first ones were 3rd party)
      • Being a moderator on the jailbait subreddit, a community for sharing sexually suggestive pictures of underage teenage girls
      • Forcing new moderation teams on communities whose moderation he didn’t agree with
      • Straight up lying about the 3rd party apps and their developers every step of the way

      Way to go, Steve Huffman! You had a community of volunteers build your platform for you and now you’re taking it all away from them. I’m sure this won’t backfire.

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        I posted this previously elsewhere.

        The statement from r/watchredditdie when they closed the sub really put things in perspective for me.

        Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian have gone so far as to renege on their promise of listing Aaron Swartz among Reddit, Inc’s founders. Such an egregious breach of contract - only performed once their agreed-upon co-founder no longer walked the earth - could only be carried out by immoral individuals acting in fundamental bad faith. In this way and so many others, Reddit is dead.

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      lmfao no kidding. part of me is waiting to see the shitshow that happens to some subs without proper moderation. just the amount of bullshit thats gonna be submitted is gonna be intense. and the trolls, oh lord the trolls are gonna have a hayday with once properly moderated subs.

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        For example, /r/nba went dark for a Finals game - the final Finals game where a champion was crowned.

        I’d love to see one or two lower-tier mods take over that sub. It’d become a complete pile of shit.

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            He was Reddit’s biggest power user, moderator of a significant amount of major subs, constantly on the front page and had the most reach of the website.

            He got caught using alts to boost himself and his account was deleted.

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              You’re thinking of unidan. Gallowboob just sort of stepped away after getting a job doing whassawhahum mumblemumble.

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              Are you partially mixing him up with Unidan and that whole “jackdaw” thing years ago? Or for all I know they both met the same demise lol.

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            He for a time had the highest karma score of any user. He stepped away from the platform. Many redditors felt it wasn’t a coincidence that the platforms most successful user was also close personal friends with one of the founders (Alexis) and accused the platform and the user of collusion.

            The reality of his situation likely lies somewhere between his and Reddit’s position that his content rose to the top purely organically and other users’ position that his content rose to the top purely through manipulation. He got his start legitimately making funny memes for Photoshop battles but then at a certain point started manipulating the platform (with Reddit’s tacit approval) for his own personal gain

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              I think an important part of the story is how he was very obviously getting deals from companies to use reddit to advertise their products. Remember when he just posted the netflix logo animation?

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                I was trying to find some history of that. I recalled him getting monetary compensation for posting (which is what I was trying to allude to with “personal gain”) but I couldn’t find any specifics. I even kinda think his personal friendship with Alexis had to do with Alexis getting some of the money from advertisers directly in the whole scuzzy affair

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            Don’t remember if he’s a mod at all, but he’s notorious for the sheer amount of submissions across a lot of popular subs, I think.

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          I haven’t thought of that name since before COVID at least holy shit. Probably longer. What a throwback. Reddit used to be so different

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      Don’t worry, the mods will be paid now. Just by the NRA, Walmart and Russia.

      Reddit is about to be run entirely by shills who will hop into mod spots.

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        I don’t think it’ll be that simple

        There are sooooo many fuckin subs, and while I know there are small handfuls that oversee dozens and dozens, the niche ones that really help user retention will suffer.

        Like, it’s not the huge million+ subs that I’m missing, it’s the smaller localized fandoms and obscure memory subs that I’m really missing.

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        But quality will slip. You can’t just substitute care, concern, and domain knowledge that built a community for some rando. The pillars of the communities are moving on and going elsewhere.

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      People all over reddit have been bitching about supermods and the concentration of power forever. This is what reddit wants, this is the way they become filled with qultists. Easily manipulated, stupid, profitable, and valuable to the next billionaire who wants their own media outlet.

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        Yeah but that supermod legend is actually just not true anymore, of the 5 only awkwardturtle and some other guy didn’t have their account removed, and the two just stopped being present basically.

        Reddit is doomed without mods and Moding a “default sub” is absolutely impossible without third party tools.

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          That’s why the CEO was pushing the importance of shipping their own mod tools on deadline. My guess is that there will be more automated moderation like Facebook uses.

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    Honestly not too surprising. But good luck moderating the bigger subs without the old volunteers.

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    They can’t just re-open subreddits and expect it to go over smoothly. These subs will collapse without moderators.

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      Sure they can. They’ll outsource moderation to Bangladesh, pay mods like $0.20 a day, and double the number of ads shown.

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        Considering they didn’t pay any of the moderators as is, I don’t think they would pay for them now.

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          You don’t think they would pay a pittance for mods they can control and who will quell dissent like the blackout before it ever gets off the ground?

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        Lol … All you have to do is give moderators permissions to a teenager with an axe to grind and they’ll work for free for years

        I hate Reddit because of all this stupidity … I’ve jumped ship not looking back and I’m staying on Lemmy

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        Tbh $0.20 a day won’t get you very far even in Bangladesh nowadays. Moderation costs will be quite high in the end for them.

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    Everybody knows that it was bound to happen. Reddit is hopeless and the blackout on its own won’t do good in the long run.

    That’s why I’m trying to kick this out:

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        Asked for mine last week and still hasn’t arrived, but I’ve been an active user for 17 years so yeah, might be taking a while to get those tape backups from the basement or something :P

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            No, no. They say it can take up to 30 days, yes.

            But that’s not the correct wording. It legally needs to be done under 30 days (well, one calendar month), if you’re a EU citizen.

            If they do not, I highly encourage you to contact your country’s data regulator and complain about it.

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              Oooh, thanks for the clarification! It wasn’t clear to me it was a legal constraint.

              I haven’t submit mine yet, I was waiting for the blackout to end, but I’ll sure check my calendar and report to my data regulator if they don’t comply.

              p.s. yes I’m a EU citizen

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                Well, just a heads up, I might have wrote total bullshit (sorry about that!).

                I tried to find a reference to the “one calendar month” rule in the EU’s legalese, but I didn’t find anything.

                What I found is that depending on your country, the data regulator might require services to give you your data in 30 days or less, but this might not be the case everywhere in the EU. The relevant legal article for this can be found here: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-15-gdpr/

                I am not a lawyer anyway, so your best bet would be to message an organization that fights for personal data protection to ask them about your rights in your home country.

                Sorry about the confusion once again, as I might have been wrong!

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        You don’t have to be in the EU to make a GDPR request, right? If I understand correctly, they can’t actually check.

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          They do know which country you’re from unless you use a VPN all the time, tho I personally wouldn’t lie (fake my IP) for something as serious as this.

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            They would know what country I’m currently in, but I could still be an EU citizen using a VPN or traveling outside the EU. IANAL, but I’m pretty sure my data would still be protected by GDPR.

            Granted, I am not, but the request worked anyway lol

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      I did this back when the Apollo shutting down post when out from Christian. It took a bit of googling to find out how to do this so thanks for putting it all together for others. I had 10 accounts spanning all my time on Reddit since the Digg days and did a fully scorched earth on it all, because you know, fuck u/spez.

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      For someone who has a really small subreddit, isn’t much of a computer person and mainly uses mobile, how would I go about importing my content here?

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      I PDSed my acc yesterday but i should’ve edited with “We are having issues loading this comment. Please try again later” lmfao

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      Data/Content/Information now is very important (indispensable). In the Age of Information (Actually to me, the Real Cultural Start of IT upon the advent of Artificial Intelligence AI), keepers (companies of holding) of databases (such as Reddit databases) have finally found the value of it for metabolic profitability (extreme exploitation) with the help of AI, greatest ever analyses. It will be my best (after nothing happens in Reddit decision) that I will painfully LITERALLY delete all my Reddit posts, comments and even my info about myself (or why not archive on my storage for future migration and then delete on the platform itself) on the day before Reddit make undesirable changes (to not only mods+devs but also the real clients, Reddit users enjoying Reddit), so that they won’t exploit information about me further for their sinister abuse soon probably.

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    This is why they need to link an alternative like Lemmy and encourage to share it around.

    Reddit doesn’t disallow mods from posting “Join us on Discord” and this will create a slow and steady move to a new platform.

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    This post seems somewhat disingenuous. One of the mods Cedarwolf posted his side of what happened 2 hours prior to this post appearing, and if we were to believe his side of the story the top mod who hasn’t been active for a year just decided to join the blackout against other mods wishes.

    Yes, it’s two conflicting stories but he claims to have evidence that he’s been inactive. Basically, people should look into this more than assume truth in the headline.

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      Both /r/tumblr and /r/AdviceAnimals had shaky mod teams. Even though I completely disagree with the admins on everything else this made perfect sense. Plus out of the 8k subs that blacked out only 2 had admins intervene which makes me think it really was just mods fighting and the admins stepping in.

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      I’m in a number of subs with an inactive top mod who can’t be removed because they threaten to demod people from larger communities where they also hold high up inactive positions…

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    A lot of these people volunteered their spare time to manage communities for no pay. Wondering how far downhill a lot of these subs will go with Spez putting himself in charge of everything.

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      they won’t. Spez is learning how much of reddit’s success has nothing to do with reddit itself. hopefully we have all learned from the messy and long experiment with letting corps control our gardens.

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      His name is Steve Huffman, and he’s a former mod of r/jailbait and as such a paedophile.

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          Dude for real! I thought people were just saying that because fuck the guy but no it’s actually true. Pretty fucked up! And as far as I had seen on Reddit it wasn’t ever mentioned before although that’s probably because Spez would have shadowbanned and deleted/edited the comments if it did ever out him.

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            They killed Aaron Swartz and close sourced Reddit. That was really the end. People such as the Lemmy founder, knew it which is why they built this, to free us from those power structures. Spez and people like him deserve to burn in their own special hell.

            The great migration is here and we have to work as hard as possible now to preserve this work and freedom from such people. Spez and Reddit, is finished, if we will it so.

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      I’m just waiting for substitutes of my old groups to start populating instances here. I’ll be deleting my reddit account probably before the end of the month when RIF goes offline.

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        Same, honestly it feels like a fresh start, but without all the bad shit of Reddit (I’m not even counting the recent API scam).

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    They should tread lightly. Reddit in no way has the ability to function (edit: at least on short notice) without volunteer mods. To some degree they can find scabs, but I honestly don’t know how many and how good.