• PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catOP
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    12 days ago

    Or, you could just have the door handle be the manual override.

    It is a laughably easy thing to have the release for the door from the inside be the same kind of mechanical door release we’ve always done, for obvious safety reasons, and then have a little solenoid which can also trigger the release of the mechanical door release if the computer wants it to open.

    The only reason to do it otherwise, and then need a separate manual release handle, is if you are okay with people dying in exactly this fashion so that you can make your shiny thing in the exact shiny way you want to make it.

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      12 days ago

      Teslas need to crack the windows before you open the door, that’s why they complicate the door release. If you don’t give the computer a moment to move the window before the door opens you can damage things.

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        12 days ago

        Tesla isn’t the only manufacturer of doors with frameless windows. They are the only ones I know of who have electric-only door latches.

        The computer can have the window cracked before the handle is fully pulled. And if it fails to do so, the door opens anyway.

        A better solution is a fucking window frame.

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          12 days ago

          My car has frameless windows. But they don’t need the window to be in any particular place. Literally 100% up or down, and the door works fine. I don’t understand why they designed cars that have this problem.

          But yeah, framed windows work great too.

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        12 days ago

        Thank you for giving the explanation, but I think you’re getting flamed for it because it sounds like you’re saying that decision makes sense.

        They introduced the design constraint. They can remove it, or work around it mechanically. They chose not to, and instead made a death-trap on purpose. I’m sure they had their reasons at the time, but they are by definition bad reasons if they led to this outcome.

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          11 days ago

          He’s getting flamed because convertibles have been doing frameless door windows forever with manual overrides. It’s not something super special Tesla has done. Musk just doesn’t want to spend the extra money doing it right.

        • Universal Monk@lemm.ee
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          12 days ago

          They chose not to, and instead made a death-trap on purpose

          I don’t think it’s a death-trap “on purpose,” but it’s def a death-trap by negligence. Which is still bad. Very very bad.

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              11 days ago

              People are saying “Tesla needs the window to lower before the door opens” as an excuse why they use an electric switch, I’m saying they don’t know shit about cars because that’s been a thing for decades before Tesla was even an idea and these cars used regular door handles.