• Ulrich@feddit.org
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    5 days ago

    As always, Apple is gaslighting you. The only reason is because Google is paying them tens of b-b-billions of dollars a year not to. And they don’t want to give that up.

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      5 days ago

      Why spend billions a year on a search engine when someone will pay you billions a year to use theirs?

      This isn’t gaslighting, it’s the basics of tenet capitalism.

      In what scenario does Apple generate 20 billion a year by owning a internet search product?

      Search engines are a dead end. The future is a LLM that can tie its results to sources.

      I have more confidence in Apple getting that right than Google. Google doesn’t even have the confidence in themselves to brand their product with Google in the name.

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        4 days ago

        This isn’t gaslighting

        It is though, because they’re trying to convince you (and the government) that that’s not the reason.

        Search engines are a dead end. The future is a LLM that can tie its results to sources.

        I’m pretty sure we’ve already seen that that’s a dead end.

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          4 days ago

          2 things can be true… just because they omitted 1 reason doesn’t mean the other isn’t also true

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            Making up reasons to assert gaslight is occurring is gaslighting. There is no proof Apple is lying.

            This is an excellent example of not being able to reason someone out of a position they didn’t use reason to get into.

            Belief is not proof. If you want to pettle conspiracies, try 4chan.

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          4 days ago

          That what’s the reason? You haven’t proposed their true motive, what sanity are they attempting to make us question because you don’t appear to understand what gaslighting means. At best you think they are lying, which isn’t gaslighting and is a really stupid thing to do around federal investigations.

          • Ulrich@feddit.org
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            4 days ago

            I did all of that in my parent comment. It’s only stupid if the government can prove it’s not true, which they can’t.

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              Apple: We’re a search engine company and we don’t want to be.

              You: Zomg, gaslighting. Based on information I want to be true, Apple totally wants to be a search engine and wants to be!

              The only one doing any gaslighting here is you.

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                4 days ago

                If you’re just going to either not read or ignore the parent comment, I’m certainly not about to type it out so you can do it all over again. Goodnight.

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                  You started with the statement, “as always, Apple is gaslighting you” – that is quire the statement, you cannot support it but you are insist it’s true, insisting that I accept it as part of my reality.

                  That is gaslighting.

                  One of the fun things with people who gaslight is their inability to recognize their gaslighting. It’s also possible you don’t understand the term.

                  You refusing to back down from such a strong and unsupported statement makes me think it’s the later and that I’m involved in the sort of argument one is never supposed to involve themselves them in. Something about taking you down to their level and betting you with experience.

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      5 days ago

      That’s more likely to be the answer. If Apple were content having Google’s sloppy seconds while having full opportunity to make Alphabet level profits1 then the world would turn upside down. It’s more likely that Apple doesn’t see an easy avenue to those mountains of ad-revenue money without compromising their privacy image. Might as well take Google’s cheque to the bank the same time as iCloud subscription profits cheque.

      *1: I should probably clarify that I mean on top of what they already earn.

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      5 days ago

      Literally one of the bullet points:

      In order to create a “viable” search engine business, Apple would be required to “sell targeted advertising,” which is “not a core business” for the company and would go against its “longstanding privacy commitments.”