I’m old, I was raised in Ukraine when it was part of the USSR, I’ll never see Russia invading Ukraine as acceptable, let alone applaud it. I saw UkrSSR as a sovereign member of the union, as did all the Ukrainians back then, aside from literally a few complete loonies who would also tell you all the communist party leaders are secretly Jews. I hope Ukraine can be sovereign again, subservient neither to Russian nor Western oligarchs, even though that’s not happening any time soon.
Donbass situation was horrible but the Russian invasion was undeniably an escalation, and it achieved many goals of the US, both military and economic. The price was paid by Ukrainians (and economically to some extent Europeans although they might get theirs back from the plunder).
As for the Westerners, to me the ones who don’t want to keep pumping weapons into Ukraine and want a peaceful end to the war, basically what the likes of Chomsky and Corbyn were saying from the start, have the right idea.
Just so I understand, are you saying e.g. Chomsky supported Nazis?
(Very late edit) Also, how can you say Ukraine has “nothing to do” with it’s past just 35 years ago. Do you know how many people still remember the USSR? It’s ridiculous
Regardless, equating Ukraine as such with neonazis is idiocy. It’s current govt is a puppet of the Western ruling class (not of the local neonazis, mind you) but earlier governments were more aligned with Russia.
The war is destroying Ukraine and it’s people, it was provoked by the West and Minsk 2 was the best possible option for Ukraine back when it was on the table. Some form of peace agreement is the only way Ukraine can survive and it has to include losing some territory, demilitarising, and committing to neutrality. I consider this the only way forward and I fully support Ukraine and it’s people to reaching it. The likes of Chomsky advocated for that all along, and they also invariably consider this to be (the only real) way of supporting Ukraine. So, supporting Ukraine does not equal supporting their local Nazis, let alone supporting NATO or US imperialism.
Again, you can’t equate the very idea of Ukrainian statehood with Nazism. Some symbolism, like red and black flag or “Slava Ukraini” salute, are fully linked to Nazism and have to go. Others, like blue and yellow flag or tryzub, are simply symbols of Ukrainian state and can’t be reduced to Nazism.
I’m old, I was raised in Ukraine when it was part of the USSR, I’ll never see Russia invading Ukraine as acceptable, let alone applaud it. I saw UkrSSR as a sovereign member of the union, as did all the Ukrainians back then, aside from literally a few complete loonies who would also tell you all the communist party leaders are secretly Jews. I hope Ukraine can be sovereign again, subservient neither to Russian nor Western oligarchs, even though that’s not happening any time soon.
Donbass situation was horrible but the Russian invasion was undeniably an escalation, and it achieved many goals of the US, both military and economic. The price was paid by Ukrainians (and economically to some extent Europeans although they might get theirs back from the plunder).
As for the Westerners, to me the ones who don’t want to keep pumping weapons into Ukraine and want a peaceful end to the war, basically what the likes of Chomsky and Corbyn were saying from the start, have the right idea.
I understand that, but Ukraine as a state now has nothing to do with the Ukrainian SSR. I don’t hate its people. I’d like for its nazis to die though.
I’m a Barbara pit enjoyer as well.
Just so I understand, are you saying e.g. Chomsky supported Nazis?
(Very late edit) Also, how can you say Ukraine has “nothing to do” with it’s past just 35 years ago. Do you know how many people still remember the USSR? It’s ridiculous
I don’t follow Chomsky much. What did he say exactly?
Regardless, I feel that supporting Ukraine in the war is a support for the neonazis who control the government.
Watch an interview on YT?
Regardless, equating Ukraine as such with neonazis is idiocy. It’s current govt is a puppet of the Western ruling class (not of the local neonazis, mind you) but earlier governments were more aligned with Russia.
The war is destroying Ukraine and it’s people, it was provoked by the West and Minsk 2 was the best possible option for Ukraine back when it was on the table. Some form of peace agreement is the only way Ukraine can survive and it has to include losing some territory, demilitarising, and committing to neutrality. I consider this the only way forward and I fully support Ukraine and it’s people to reaching it. The likes of Chomsky advocated for that all along, and they also invariably consider this to be (the only real) way of supporting Ukraine. So, supporting Ukraine does not equal supporting their local Nazis, let alone supporting NATO or US imperialism.
Again, you can’t equate the very idea of Ukrainian statehood with Nazism. Some symbolism, like red and black flag or “Slava Ukraini” salute, are fully linked to Nazism and have to go. Others, like blue and yellow flag or tryzub, are simply symbols of Ukrainian state and can’t be reduced to Nazism.