Trainees are being abused by senior male surgeons, a major analysis given to the BBC reveals.

Sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape have been referred to as surgery’s open secret.

There is an untold story of women being fondled inside their scrubs, of male surgeons wiping their brow on their breasts and men rubbing erections against female staff. Some have been offered career opportunities for sex.

The analysis - by the University of Exeter, the University of Surrey and the Working Party on Sexual Misconduct in Surgery - has been shared exclusively with BBC News.

Nearly two-thirds of women surgeons that responded to the researchers said they had been the target of sexual harassment and a third had been sexually assaulted by colleagues in the past five years.

Women say they fear reporting incidents will damage their careers and they lack confidence the NHS will take action.

  • DessertStorms@kbin.social
    421·
    10 months ago

    Yes, but essentially saying “not all men” serves no other purpose than to enable men to continue to ignore and exclude themselves from the problem, making them actively a part of the problem.

    Edit: I find it absolutely hysterical that you assholes can’t help yourselves but pipe up and continue to expose yourselves to be exactly the kind of men we are talking about (when all it takes it to literally just… not. You realise you do have the ability to just shut the fuck up, right?). Enjoy whining in to the void, I’ve already wasted too much time on you clowns.

    • WhyDoesntThisThingWork@lemmy.world
      121·
      10 months ago

      You also have the ability to shut the fuck up. Seems like most people here would like very much for you to exercise that right immediately.

    • CybranM@kbin.social
      111·
      10 months ago

      Would you do the same for different races or religions?
      “Yes, but essentially saying “not all muslims” allows muslims to continue to ignore and exclude themselves from the problem, making them actively a part of the problem.”

      • Kalash@feddit.ch
        101·
        10 months ago

        Of course not, those aren’t on the list of approved groups to generalise.

      • DessertStorms@kbin.social
        212·
        10 months ago

        Lmfao at you thinking you “got me”… 🤣🤣

        If the discussion was about a situation where a power imbalance clearly and obviously benefitted Muslims, then yes (except there isn’t a global problem with the power imbalance favouring Muslims on anywhere the same scale as there is for men).

        It really isn’t difficult once you take your head out of your ass.

        Or you can continue to make up as many strawmen and false equivalencies as you like to try and derail the conversation, but all that achieves is you showing your ass as being part of the problem, knowingly now, because you’ve been provided with information that should make you rethink your bad take, not double down on it.

        • WhyDoesntThisThingWork@lemmy.world
          51·
          10 months ago

          Strawmen don’t exist, this user is asking you about situations that do exist, such as the example about the muslims, which is absolutely a real thing that you absolutely would get flack for saying in real life. So no, to ask you a why it’s magically ok for you to say it about men when it’s not ok to say about literally any other group, makes it by definition the very opposite of a strawman. Don’t use words if you don’t understand what they mean.

          This also demonstrates that your point about power is wrong. If hate speech is only allowed about one single group, it suggests the opposite of: that group holds all the power.

        • Natha@discuss.online
          2·
          10 months ago

          I suppose not all women are as rude as you. Does that ignore and exclude you from the problem?

    • devdad@programming.dev
      101·
      10 months ago

      What are you going on about?

      Nobody in this thread has said “not all men”.

      The top comment said “can people just not suck”, then OP responded saying “actually, in this case, only men suck”.

      • DessertStorms@kbin.social
        213·
        10 months ago

        Except you did, insisting on saying “people are terrible” as an answer to “men are terrible” is not only pretending people of other genders are part of the problem when they’re not but is

        essentially saying “not all men”

        Not that any of this will stop you from continuing to try to derail the conversation instead of just accepting that this is a problem with men, no matter how uncomfortable that is for you to deal with.

    • yetAnotherUser@feddit.de
      6·
      10 months ago

      But they didn’t say that? They said ‘men are terrible’ is included in the phrase ‘people are terrible’ because men are people.

      • DessertStorms@kbin.social
        212·
        10 months ago

        Except they did, insisting on saying “people are terrible” instead of “men are terrible” is not only pretending people of other genders are part of the problem when they’re not but is

        essentially saying “not all men”

        Not that any of this will stop you from continuing to try to derail the conversation instead of just accepting that this is a problem with men, no matter how uncomfortable that is for you to deal with.

        • yetAnotherUser@feddit.de
          31·
          10 months ago

          Yes, in this case men are absolutely to blame, I am not denying this.

          I believe they intended their comment as a general statement not specific to sexual harassment/assault. It felt like a fatalist response, not as an attempt to derail the conversation.

    • Natha@discuss.online
      1·
      10 months ago

      If it’s not them who caused the problem, why can’t they be excluded from the problem? Are you to blame for any other women’s problems?