They’re really nothing. If it wasn’t for the marketing, there’d be nothing of interest. I’m honestly tired of hearing about this brand all the time.
Want to make a phone for techies? Make one with a relockable bootloader, documented hardware features, available spare parts, removable battery and SD card.
Whenever someone says it isn’t dead to them, it tells me they don’t realize most average consumers care about convenience most of all.
They (the average consumer - that is about 98% of them) don’t understand the tech, so have no way of forming an opinion or realizing why they may want a jack.
Or removeable batteries, etc. They’re easily swayed by shiny and seemingly “easy to use”.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i bought my current phone because of its headphone jack
this is mostly about bluetooth, but some of it applies to usb-c + dongle:
i have a cheap pair of earphones in my pocket (which i’m prepared to lose). another by the door. a more expensive set of headphones upstairs. a speaker in the kitchen. and when i get in a friend’s car or go to their house, i can just plug my phone in and it works without the aggravation of having to pair to their speaker
tell me, oh “you can just buy a dongle” people, what am i supposed to do? buy one and accept that i’ll lose it all the time? buy 5 and keep one plugged into every 3.5mm i own and don’t own?
plus, y’know - takes slightly more battery, hassle to pair, can’t charge and use dongle, all the other obvious issues
Yep, kinda similar setup here. I’ve got multiple types of headsets for various situations:
A Plantronics headset for work (taking calls and meetings and stuff)
A Beyerdynamic DT880, which is my main for listening to music at home
A Sony WH-1000XM5, which I use in wired mode during travel, for it’s noise cancellation features
An Avantree E171, which I use during running and workouts
I don’t really want to buy a dongle for everything, not to mention, you’d then run into the issue of not being able to charge your phone while using the dongle, unless you get a dongle that also allows charging and… it’s just not a nice solution.
Lol, I can appreciate your commitment. We all have our white whales, mine are rear fingerprint and cordless charging. Edit: Also prefer as much plastic as possible. Make it lighter and less likely to break. I have a ceramic phone, it’s pretty (when it’s out of the case) but it’s heavy. So breakage is more likely to happen. I also have a Moto E5. You can throw it across the room.
I’ve had probably 5 times as many USB C port failures as I have micro ports… And I’ve had like 5 phones with micro (which needed charging all the time) and 2 with C. I do think C is better overall, but I don’t believe the durability claims. I already have a nice phone that really can’t be used for much since the C port died, and it’s part of the motherboard. Fortunately it has wireless, so I can use it for a spare device, just not a daily.
It costs effectively nothing. There are no downsides to it. For a phone aimed at enthusiasts and people who don’t want waste it’s an odd and shitty choice.
It’s literally just the OnePlus business model from scratch and people are eating up like it’s new as if they won’t be hating the brand 5 years from now. The founder is even the exact same guy. I don’t get how people are falling for it a second time.
I mean there’s really no reason to stay loyal to a phone brand of all things. All phones are pretty much the same so pick the one you like. OnePlus used to make some decent phones. Nothing might too. So why not? And when they fuck it up you can buy something else.
i don’t think that’s necessarily falling for it, it’s appreciating it for what it is. i personally don’t see the nothing as equivalent to oneplus[1], but if it was the modern equivalent to the op1 or op3 i think it’d be worth getting. i have no brand loyalty to 1+ (i doubt i’ll ever buy another 1+ phone) but damn if the op1 wasn’t the best value for money phone i ever bought.
the only similarity is the “close-to-stock” rom as far as i can see, and oneplus didn’t even do that until all the issues with cyanogen ↩︎
They’re really nothing. If it wasn’t for the marketing, there’d be nothing of interest. I’m honestly tired of hearing about this brand all the time.
Want to make a phone for techies? Make one with a relockable bootloader, documented hardware features, available spare parts, removable battery and SD card.
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fairphone would be so good if it had a headphone jack. but it seems really weird to me to launch a “sustainable phone” without a jack
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Dead to you doesn’t mean dead to me, or dead to the world
It might not be dead to you and other techies, but to most of the world, it’s dead
Whenever someone says it isn’t dead to them, it tells me they don’t realize most average consumers care about convenience most of all.
They (the average consumer - that is about 98% of them) don’t understand the tech, so have no way of forming an opinion or realizing why they may want a jack.
Or removeable batteries, etc. They’re easily swayed by shiny and seemingly “easy to use”.
I plug my phone into my car with an aux jack.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i bought my current phone because of its headphone jack
this is mostly about bluetooth, but some of it applies to usb-c + dongle:
i have a cheap pair of earphones in my pocket (which i’m prepared to lose). another by the door. a more expensive set of headphones upstairs. a speaker in the kitchen. and when i get in a friend’s car or go to their house, i can just plug my phone in and it works without the aggravation of having to pair to their speaker
tell me, oh “you can just buy a dongle” people, what am i supposed to do? buy one and accept that i’ll lose it all the time? buy 5 and keep one plugged into every 3.5mm i own and don’t own?
plus, y’know - takes slightly more battery, hassle to pair, can’t charge and use dongle, all the other obvious issues
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Yep, kinda similar setup here. I’ve got multiple types of headsets for various situations:
I don’t really want to buy a dongle for everything, not to mention, you’d then run into the issue of not being able to charge your phone while using the dongle, unless you get a dongle that also allows charging and… it’s just not a nice solution.
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Lol, I can appreciate your commitment. We all have our white whales, mine are rear fingerprint and cordless charging. Edit: Also prefer as much plastic as possible. Make it lighter and less likely to break. I have a ceramic phone, it’s pretty (when it’s out of the case) but it’s heavy. So breakage is more likely to happen. I also have a Moto E5. You can throw it across the room.
I’ve had probably 5 times as many USB C port failures as I have micro ports… And I’ve had like 5 phones with micro (which needed charging all the time) and 2 with C. I do think C is better overall, but I don’t believe the durability claims. I already have a nice phone that really can’t be used for much since the C port died, and it’s part of the motherboard. Fortunately it has wireless, so I can use it for a spare device, just not a daily.
It costs effectively nothing. There are no downsides to it. For a phone aimed at enthusiasts and people who don’t want waste it’s an odd and shitty choice.
Yea like that
It’s literally just the OnePlus business model from scratch and people are eating up like it’s new as if they won’t be hating the brand 5 years from now. The founder is even the exact same guy. I don’t get how people are falling for it a second time.
I mean there’s really no reason to stay loyal to a phone brand of all things. All phones are pretty much the same so pick the one you like. OnePlus used to make some decent phones. Nothing might too. So why not? And when they fuck it up you can buy something else.
i don’t think that’s necessarily falling for it, it’s appreciating it for what it is. i personally don’t see the nothing as equivalent to oneplus[1], but if it was the modern equivalent to the op1 or op3 i think it’d be worth getting. i have no brand loyalty to 1+ (i doubt i’ll ever buy another 1+ phone) but damn if the op1 wasn’t the best value for money phone i ever bought.
the only similarity is the “close-to-stock” rom as far as i can see, and oneplus didn’t even do that until all the issues with cyanogen ↩︎