I think what you mean is that Taiwan considers itself to be an independent state, whereas the People’s Republic of China, on the mainland, considers themselves Taiwan to be a part of their territory.
Difficult issue to even discuss without taking sides, really!
Should note that the “Taiwan is the real China” brand of politics has basically died out in Taiwan. Yes they are technically “The Republic of China” but China has said that changing that is tantamount to declaring de jure independence which would trigger a war.
Taiwan (for the most part) just wants to be Taiwan.
(See also why the “West Taiwan” meme is frowned upon and completely misrepresents what most Taiwanese people want.)
TIL, thanks, I have edited my comment accordingly. I have never liked the whole “west Taiwan” thing anyways - while I disagree with a lot of what the PRC does, I think unilaterally declaring that an entire nation should be governed by a different nation is shitty, imperialist behaviour. The only time I think it’s valid is for people expressing their wishes for their own homeland, and even then it can still be imperialist.
Historically (pre 1949) mainland China was their own homeland. The Republican government fled to Taiwan during the Chinese Civil War. But I guess the people of Taiwan have moved past laying claim to their homeland for various reasons.
There’s a lot of layers there, Han people have been settling in Taiwan since the 17th century and this originally Taiwanese-speaking group makes up about 70% of people in Taiwan. They don’t consider China their homeland anymore than Americans do the UK.
Han people who came with the fleeing KMT government are more directly tied to China, but even they have been largely Taiwan-ized politically since the democracy and identity movements of the 1980’s. Which is to say, very very few people in Taiwan see China as a homeland these days.
The KMT conducted a 40-year fascist reign of terror where they wiped out most of the native Taiwanese and killed tens of thousands of Han who agreed that the KMT had lost and that integration needed to happen.
Yup, the White Terror. I didn’t disagree with that.
My point was that the KMT coming to Taiwan was a wave of migration of people who while very anti-PRC saw themselves as fundamentally Chinese and Mandarin-speaking as opposed to pre-1945 Han settlers who were Taiwanese-speaking and in many cases had been living in Taiwan for hundreds of years already.
Today, those distinctions have softened, and polling shows that even the people who are descended from that wave of KMT migration mostly see themselves as Taiwanese first and foremost.
Of course they do, if they saw themselves as mainlanders they were murdered and chucked in mass graves. The entire society is shaped by the white terror
While that used to be the case, it is no longer true - Taiwan acknowledged the PRC as the legitimate authority over mainland China in 1991 and released their claims on the mainland.
Most people in Taiwan do not consider them to be part of China. Taiwan was also a settler colony, BTW. The indigenous people were there for thousands of years before the Han Chinese settlers showed up in the 1700s.
Thanks for mentioning it, I’d like to add that Taiwan is still a settler state. Taiwanese Indigenous people still live there, and have been waging their own battles for greater rights and sovereignty within Taiwan for centuries. Unfortunately, in all the Taiwan v. China noise their voices and concerns get drowned out.
One is providing defensive weapons against the other that wants to snuff out the views of the majority on the island. There should be nothing surprising about that.
The majority of the people in Taiwan do not consider themselves to be part of the PRC and the indigenous Taiwanese certainly do not.
Have whatever qualms you want about the US but it is pretty clear that China is not wanted in Taiwan.
You honestly think the USA gives the slightest shit about Asians on the other side of the planet? You probably think they care about who governs a sliver of land in the most corrupt shithole in the modern world in Europe too.
The majority of the people in Taiwan do not consider themselves to be part of the PRC and the indigenous Taiwanese certainly do not.
And those indigenous Taiwanese? How do they feel about being Taiwanese?
I and tons of others in the USgive a shit about people on the other side of the planet. Do you not?
Not sure what country you are talking about in your second part but your statement sounds a little racist.
The indigenous Taiwanese do not consider themselves to be part of China.
The majority of people in Taiwan do want US aid so I’m not sure where you are getting that the US is not wanted. China is not wanted in Taiwan certainly.
You should give a shit about your fellow citizens first and start pretending to be a functioning country before having an opinion about what goes on in Asia. But that’s just your white man’s burden eh?
Not sure what country you are talking about in your second part but your statement sounds a little racist.
You’re not sure what I’m talking about because you’re an ignorant supremacist little prick who knows nothing about the world or your blood soaked failed state’s involvement in it.
Taiwan is historically part of China and the division was largely created by the US which offered military protection to the KMT, and this division was widened over time as the KMT’s White Terror and brainwashing people made people grow up hearing the PRC is backward and evil. Read a book and stop commenting on the internet about shit you haven’t a breeze about.
Hawaii is a US settler colony however, Taiwan regards itself as part of China.
said Blursty.
said Taiwan’s Foreign Affairs Ministry
I think what you mean is that Taiwan considers itself to be an independent state, whereas the People’s Republic of China, on the mainland, considers themselves Taiwan to be a part of their territory.
Difficult issue to even discuss without taking sides, really!
Should note that the “Taiwan is the real China” brand of politics has basically died out in Taiwan. Yes they are technically “The Republic of China” but China has said that changing that is tantamount to declaring de jure independence which would trigger a war.
Taiwan (for the most part) just wants to be Taiwan.
(See also why the “West Taiwan” meme is frowned upon and completely misrepresents what most Taiwanese people want.)
TIL, thanks, I have edited my comment accordingly. I have never liked the whole “west Taiwan” thing anyways - while I disagree with a lot of what the PRC does, I think unilaterally declaring that an entire nation should be governed by a different nation is shitty, imperialist behaviour. The only time I think it’s valid is for people expressing their wishes for their own homeland, and even then it can still be imperialist.
Historically (pre 1949) mainland China was their own homeland. The Republican government fled to Taiwan during the Chinese Civil War. But I guess the people of Taiwan have moved past laying claim to their homeland for various reasons.
There’s a lot of layers there, Han people have been settling in Taiwan since the 17th century and this originally Taiwanese-speaking group makes up about 70% of people in Taiwan. They don’t consider China their homeland anymore than Americans do the UK.
Han people who came with the fleeing KMT government are more directly tied to China, but even they have been largely Taiwan-ized politically since the democracy and identity movements of the 1980’s. Which is to say, very very few people in Taiwan see China as a homeland these days.
The KMT conducted a 40-year fascist reign of terror where they wiped out most of the native Taiwanese and killed tens of thousands of Han who agreed that the KMT had lost and that integration needed to happen.
Yup, the White Terror. I didn’t disagree with that.
My point was that the KMT coming to Taiwan was a wave of migration of people who while very anti-PRC saw themselves as fundamentally Chinese and Mandarin-speaking as opposed to pre-1945 Han settlers who were Taiwanese-speaking and in many cases had been living in Taiwan for hundreds of years already.
Today, those distinctions have softened, and polling shows that even the people who are descended from that wave of KMT migration mostly see themselves as Taiwanese first and foremost.
Of course they do, if they saw themselves as mainlanders they were murdered and chucked in mass graves. The entire society is shaped by the white terror
You misunderstood. He meant the PRC by “China” in that instance. The Taiwanese rulers consider themselves to be the rightful rulers of all of China.
While that used to be the case, it is no longer true - Taiwan acknowledged the PRC as the legitimate authority over mainland China in 1991 and released their claims on the mainland.
Give them a break, they’ve only had 30 years to learn that
Most people in Taiwan do not consider them to be part of China. Taiwan was also a settler colony, BTW. The indigenous people were there for thousands of years before the Han Chinese settlers showed up in the 1700s.
Thanks for mentioning it, I’d like to add that Taiwan is still a settler state. Taiwanese Indigenous people still live there, and have been waging their own battles for greater rights and sovereignty within Taiwan for centuries. Unfortunately, in all the Taiwan v. China noise their voices and concerns get drowned out.
Nonsense. Who told you that?
The Taiwanese people:
https://apnews.com/article/taiwan-china-mao-zedong-international-news-asia-pacific-c8a1f7669442b2b86ddff1563c3bd0e9
Where’s your info coming from?
Poor bastards. Thanks.
One is providing defensive weapons against the other that wants to snuff out the views of the majority on the island. There should be nothing surprising about that.
The majority of the people in Taiwan do not consider themselves to be part of the PRC and the indigenous Taiwanese certainly do not.
Have whatever qualms you want about the US but it is pretty clear that China is not wanted in Taiwan.
You honestly think the USA gives the slightest shit about Asians on the other side of the planet? You probably think they care about who governs a sliver of land in the most corrupt shithole in the modern world in Europe too.
And those indigenous Taiwanese? How do they feel about being Taiwanese?
The US is not wanted in Asia full stop.
I and tons of others in the USgive a shit about people on the other side of the planet. Do you not?
Not sure what country you are talking about in your second part but your statement sounds a little racist.
The indigenous Taiwanese do not consider themselves to be part of China.
The majority of people in Taiwan do want US aid so I’m not sure where you are getting that the US is not wanted. China is not wanted in Taiwan certainly.
You should give a shit about your fellow citizens first and start pretending to be a functioning country before having an opinion about what goes on in Asia. But that’s just your white man’s burden eh?
You’re not sure what I’m talking about because you’re an ignorant supremacist little prick who knows nothing about the world or your blood soaked failed state’s involvement in it.
Taiwan is historically part of China and the division was largely created by the US which offered military protection to the KMT, and this division was widened over time as the KMT’s White Terror and brainwashing people made people grow up hearing the PRC is backward and evil. Read a book and stop commenting on the internet about shit you haven’t a breeze about.