• solstice@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    My neighbor has a pit mix and it snarled at me gnashing its teeth once as she walked by. I was just standing there by my car minding my own business barely even acknowledging them. I jump and yell Jesus wtf lady omg. She just made pathetic excuses, he keeps me safe, never does that, it’s fiiiiine etc. Ive told her numerous times she needs to train it at the bare minimum, preferably destroy it. I’ve observed it doing the same to other people as they walk past. I bought pepper spray and look out for them very carefully whenever I go to my car now. I bet it’s just a matter of time before someone gets mauled and I hope it’s not me. Fucking hate those things.

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      10 months ago

      After watching my cop neighbor try to drive a dog away with pepper spray, it’s not going to help much. Even direct hits to the eyes didn’t seem to affect the dog much.

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        Oof, noted, thanks. I figured it’s a decent last resort but I guess not. Vigilance and avoidance are the best bet as usual. I’m not quite ready to buy a handgun over this.

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          When a pit latches on, the only thing you can do is choke it out. Strangle it until it sleeps. Nothing else will make it let go. It doesn’t feel pain, doesn’t notice knife stabs or bat beatings or anything at all. Just hope it has a collar you can pull with all your might.

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            10 months ago

            Maybe I’ll buy that handgun after all. Really pisses me off that I’m forced to consider this option because people are too stupid and stubborn to realize they themselves owned walking untrained lethal weapons.

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        You are not completely wrong, but you are wrong enough to be voted down.

        It’s the owners’ fault for not accepting that they have an extremely dangerous animal on a leash and that they haven’t done the minimum necessary to control it. They make excuses until shit happens and that shit could happen to them and their own family as easily as it could happen to a stranger.

        On top of that, these breeds are far more dangerous than others. Even if another breed bites as often or more, the damage they do is less. This breed will bite and not let go, they ignore pain completely, their jaws make large wounds and with their muscular necks they can rip out large chunks of flesh. I do not care if Sausage Dogs bite more often and are rarely well trained, they do not manage to kill anyone, except an old lady who stumbles over the leash and breaks her neck.

        Even the best-trained American XL bully dog is a weapon that can shoot itself, and once it starts it is unstoppable except by a bullet or being choked into unconsciousness. The breed was bred for this, it is in them like a sausage dog was bred to hunt alone under ground and chase a badger defending its home. They are tough as hell and bite attacks are common, usually ending in a small scar on someone’s lip or a torn trouser. If you keep your finger, your eye, your face or your life with an American XL bully dog you got lucky.

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            10 months ago

            Insulting people who take their time to explain why people downvote you doesn’t make you any different than the worst of Reddit. Also you seem to not have an argument against what I wrote so that’s settled then. Have a nice day!

        • Brocken40@sh.itjust.works
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          10 months ago

          I agree, we should blame the parents. they should have raised their kids better, and in the case of the mentally unwell helped them get the necessary treatments.

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      10 months ago

      sorry you experienced that, it’s a poor owner, not a bad breed. we have a staffy mix that’s an adorable mutt, great dog.

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        Do you agree that retrievers are bred to retrieve things?

        Do you agree that herding dogs are bred to herd things?

        Do you agree that pointer dogs are bred to find things?

        Surely you’ve been around these kinds of dogs before. It’s not something that they learn; they are specifically bred to do a job and they will do that job even without training. You’ve seen or heard of how a sheepdog will herd small children, I’m sure. It’s why the breed exists; they are specifically bred to do a certain thing and genetically their instinct is to do the thing that they were bred for over the course of thousands of years. You can remove them from their mom and not give them any training and they will naturally do the thing that they were bred to do. You don’t have to train a golden to bring you back a ball.

        So is it a surprise that a dog bred to kill things will want to kill things?

        That’s not simply because of “a poor owner”, although the fact that people refuse to train their killer dogs to not be killers is part of it. It’s because their dogs are genetically predisposed to kill, just like a pointer dog is genetically predisposed to find things.

        It is absolutely a bad breed. Killer dogs should be banned worldwide. Every single pitbull, rottweiler, etc. should be spayed/neutered and the breed should end. They’re too dangerous and dumb owners have proven that you can’t rely on humans to keep them under control.

        It’s not the dogs’ fault, mind - it’s their instinct. But that doesn’t mean that future generations should have to deal with it.

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          They’re too dangerous and dumb owners have proven that you can’t rely on humans to keep them under control.

          That’s why we have laws in Germany that say that if dogs of certain breeds don’t pass character tests they have to be muzzled, and you might need a license (as in driving license) and a certificate of conduct.

          States tend to put American Staffordshire-Terriers (and therefore Bullies) in the harshest category, Rottweilers get off way easier.

          Those two breeds are nowhere close to comparable when it comes to aggressiveness. Rottweilers aren’t inherently aggressive, on the contrary they’re exceptionally chill and have a high anger threshold. But they’re also protective and if you aren’t chill yourself they will quickly become to think of themselves as the pack leader.

          Rottweilers are about as easy or hard to mess up a German Shepherds, it’s just that messing up passively becomes more dangerous as they’ll become overprotective, see imagined threats because you imagine them, suchlike. If you want to see a breed with inherent anger issues that’d be the Chihuahua.

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            Yeah Rottweilers are herding dogs, they herd children too and just love leaning into you. Herd dogs also protect their pack so they do need training and an owner who knows what they’re doing on top of extensive socialising.

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          I had a retriever, she liked chasing ducks. Sometimes she would run to duck and then run back to me with this look on her face of “there is a step missing”.

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          Do you agree humans are made to shitpost? Because your demonstration is revealing.

          No one bred staffies or pits to kill. Cute though. Bet you’re a wonderful human being.

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        Bullshit. You think shitbulls got their reputation from thin air? Shit dogs for shit owners.

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          10 months ago

          well with that airtight argument you’ll go far! you should work for the GOP with these kind of ideas, they’ll fit right into that shit show

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            Not at all a troll username - it is a new account, but I don’t like making up usernames so I just keyboard mash. I stand by everything I say though.

            Edit. I looked through your comment history. Bit hypocritical to accuse others of trolling with comments like that.

            Copy pasted comments that are totally in good faith:

            If only we could use statistics to cull people, too.

            I think we should genocide every dog because any dog is more dangerous than no dogs.

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              I just think we should be consistant. If we’re using statistics to cull creatures, racists are going to have a field day.

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                If we’re using statistics to cull creatures, racists are going to have a field day.

                Did you just insinuate black people commit more crime?

                Comparing other races to dogs is pretty fucked up to start with.

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            10 months ago

            Why not defend your argument instead of attacking another person? It might be more effective and useful, you know unlike your vicious pitbull