Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go “Lemmy is getting worse and worse,” or “I’m leaving Lemmy,” or worse, “I’m leaving for Beehaw.”
If you’re using Beehaw, then you’re using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don’t like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don’t get our terminology right.
Why, what’s wrong with lemmy.ml? Can someone eli5 me?
My account actually lives there but I also made a lemmy world one.
In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism including those that committed atrocities.. He apparently censors lemmy.ml with this in mind. Since it is open source though, I can trust that other instances might be better maintained. There is no way I’ll use any personal information in my signup because this all probably is going to China.
China is sophisticated enough that it can vacuum up all the information it wants about without any involvement of a Lemmy.lm admin.
Oh the ml in lemmy.ml is Marxist lenonist. That makes a lot of sense actually
You literally just made that up. I’m pretty sure they said at some point that they chose this simply cause its free.
I was wrong, and it was a guess using context clues from the post I was replying too.
I didn’t “make it up”, I was just incorrect.
I just get kinda pissed off at comments like that because I’ve been using lemmy for like 3 years now and they’ve never done something wrong but now there are some people that just say stuff about them that’s not even true. Your comment wasn’t the first like that after all.
That’s the beauty of the fediverse. Don’t like the server? Go somewhere else.
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Leninist. Marxist Leninist is largely an oxymoron as Lenin just sort of ignored a lot of core things Marx discussed. Specifically going against many of them. There are many different Marxism derived ideologies that aren’t ML and don’t sympathize or apologize for the atrocities of ML or capitalist regimes. Please don’t lump them all together.
As far as Leninist go. I agree with you 💯% though.
When it comes to physics Einstein has yet to be proven wrong for just about anything. When it came to politics and human nature. Einstein was not known to be any great judge. And even then. That’s feinting praise. Einstein knew how to throw shade.
Ok, firstly you are not smarter than Einstein.
Secondly. What are you on about? He said this in 1929. Lenin had been dead for 5 years already when he said this. Stalin was leader of the USSR and everything about Lenin and the revolutionary years was perfectly well known. Pretending that Einstein was simply unaware of the events that he actually lived through at the time is ridiculous.
That’s 31 years after Lenin. Having lived through Weimer Germany as a jewish man, watching and applauding the success of the soviet revolution, seeing the failure of the german revolution after the murder of rosa luxembourg, fleeing to the US, and watching the USSR liberate nazi Germany auschwitz and all the camps of the holocaust that he narrowly avoided being part of himself.
He commented on the US in his later life actually, in December 1947 he stated:
“I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my life.”
The FBI had a 250 page file on einstein, you can view it here: https://vault.fbi.gov/Albert Einstein
On page 14 the report says:
“Not even Stalin himself is affiliated with so many anarcho-communist international groups to promote this “preliminary condition” of world revolution and ultimate anarchy, as Albert Einstein.”
Never claimed to be. Cool strawman though.
You know basic math? That’s cool too. Specifically made point of refference to the legacy of lenin’s authoritarian ideology and it’s common outcomes. Ie social repression and brutality. Not so much the man himself.
If you’re implying that demostrates he wished he’d gone to Russia. That would be a non sequiter and completely unsupported by the qoute. Though I agree with Einsteins assessment there. The US was after all the base model for much of what became Fascism and Nazism that we’re still waiting for a reckoning for even 100 years later.
Hey, you know who wasn’t anarcho communist. Lenin and Stalin! Einstein got it sorted out eventually. Good on him. Double good as I tend towards anarcho communism a bit myself. Posthumous hi-5 with Einstein.
You certainly imply it when you do a 🤓 “that’s a little outside his area of expertiseeeee” response.
Lenin’s authoritarian ideology? Have you read ever actually read any Marx? When Marx said “We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.” do you think he was talking about sunshines and rainbows? When he said he wanted a dictatorship of the proletariat.
What do you think Marx meant when he said: “their(socialist) ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.” what do you think he meant?
What do you think Marx meant when he said: “there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”
All you are doing here is demonstrating that you have no idea what Marx ever actually said. You are trying to separate the two as if Lenin somehow poisoned the pure magical utopian ideas of Marx when Lenin was exceptionally faithful to him in every single way. All you are doing here is demonstrating that you have not read Marx and nor have you read Lenin, yet you feel fully equipped to commentate on both as if you’re an authority on the matter. Why?
I’m not implying it. I’m stating it flatly. Einstein supported and defended the USSR his entire life. The fact of the matter however is that it was simply too late in his life by the time he realised America was not going to become what he wished it would, an old man with his family and network all where he had laid roots couldn’t/wouldn’t just change that a few years before his death and there would be little point to. He outright stated that he saw America as becoming like nazi germany and did not expect that to stop. He was vocally opposed to the US starting the Cold War, persecution and deportation of communists, and he continued to be completely vocal about his opposition to it right up until he died.
I could even quote the multiple times he flatly defends Stalin but I think that’s a bit too spicey to be quite honest and I’m not particularly sure we should bring Stalin into it when this is not about him, it’s about Lenin.
Lol I never said the FBI goons knew what they were talking about. I don’t think it is correct to label him an ancom, even his “Why Socialism?” essay clearly demonstrates that he wants a state. This isn’t really that surprising though given that he was a scientist who viewed all the major advances of science throughtout the era as state-led.
No, not at all. You even lend credence later when you said he admitted regret emigrating to the US. Einstine is not noted as a great judge of character. Just of physics. It makes no claim about my own skills. Just the dishonesty of your assertions. You’re making an appeal to his authority in physics to justify milataristic dictatorship. You may as well appeal to what ever authority Kim Kardashiuan has.
No, but there’s always more interpritations to most everything that Marx says than the base milataristic Leninist viewpoint. “Terror” is a vagurey that could mean… well almost anything that the bourgeois wouldn’t like. Such as the workers uniting and simply asserting their numbersand solidarity to confront and expell those in power that stood against them.
Marx also spoke of a gradual transition to communism. Over a long period. More of an Evolution than a strictly violent Revolution. Though not shying away from force where neccessary. The problem is with humans and doubly so with the Leninist variety. We lack patience or dedication. And it’s just so much faster/easier to violently force your views onto others than to talk to them and convince them of your views. This is a key point of my divergence with Leninist’s. Forcing themselves not just on to the bourgeois, but the rest of the proletariot. Rather than trying to work with and convince them.
He could have meant a lot of things. There’s more than one type of “force” as well as magnatude of such force. You’re asserting he meant stricly violent military force only. But your quote doesn’t back you up. Karl Marx was a philosopher, and philosophers often use vague and figurative language. Which Leninists always take militarily and litterally. Lenin’s theory grew out of Marxist theory. And not even all of Marxist theory is perfectly sound these days. Vladamir Ulyanov did nothing to fix that either, and only took it to a much more violent and intolerant place.
I’m not some capitalist liberal who think’s ML nations were pure hellscapes. But I will not shy away from vocally calling out their inherant failings. Of which there are many. Ironically, something I wouldn’t be allowed to do in most ML nations. Because of the way they rely on force and the new militairy bourgeois they subject themselves to.
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Typical liberalism red scare fearmongering, lemmy has no ties to China.
FTFY
It’s funny which part of the quote you decided to omit. Tankies gonna tank, eh?
For those who haven’t checked - in the linked page dessalines(Lemmy lead dev) recommends books and articles by, among others, Lenin, Stalin & Castro.
I haven’t read those works they mentioned so I can’t say if they defend the atrocities of those regimes (they very well might), but I wouldn’t say suggesting a book about those political ideologies implies you believe the atrocities committed by those regimes were acceptable.
But I’m also totally ready for someone to tell me they do in fact minimize the bad things. As someone born in the American south who was raised with echos of Lost Cause propaganda I’m familiar with folks twisting a horrible truth.
To sum up, Dessalines believes that a genocide is not taking place against the Uyghur people by the Chinese government.
That’s basically one of the common concerns I see, just kind of in addition to the general tankie vibes that are shared by many in lemmy.ml and lemmygrad which are sympathetic to communist regimes that have committed atrocities.
Stalin went too far, sure. We know.
Fidel did nothing wrong. Lenin did what he had to do for the sake of revolution.
It seems to me that community choice in Lemmy is far less important than community choice is in Mastodon. In Mastodon you subscribe to some people or maybe some lists but you’re largely dependent upon what types of local traffic are happening. I couldn’t reliably fill my feed with interesting people in Mastodon. With Lemmy, I’m filling my feed with interesting communities, while the content with a lot of these communities is still kind of light It’s at least enough to keep me relatively interested. I don’t have to rely on the local splarg to keep me entertained.
Maybe a third to a half of my lemmy subscriptions are remote I’ve only blocked a handful of idiots. The experience thus far as better than Reddit honestly.
Follow hashtags. It’s the easiest way to get a feed going in Mastodon. Now it’s a feature I wish Twitter had.
I followed #cat, #catsofmastodon, and #caturday, and now my Mastodon feed is full of cats!
Canada Turd Day?
If you have not been on mastodon lately. I’d suggest a revisit.
As part of my migration to Lemmy I did and found the experience much improved. It way easier to find channels to follow from all various instances.
Now my main focus was on getting good news feed set up - which is pretty mainstream need. So if your needs are more niche it may still be a pain.
I was there last week. I followed the tech news people when they finally made the mass exodus in the wake of twitter. It’s more or less just full of news and my local community theme. The biggest pain is when a guy who posts news I love just boost the crap out of everyone. No, I want to see his articles, not how much he likes that person’s cat pictures.
I prefer lemmy and karma indicators.
One of the biggest things I dislike about Twitter, too. I don’t care what these people retweet or whatever. I want to see their posts. It’s a pain in the ass to navigate through a flood of retweets.
They prevent incoming traffic from kbin. Sp, only leach kbin’s contents, but not sharing back.
Some users accused developers as being tankies. Not sure how true this is.
Oh they’re absolutely tankies, dessalines website is crystal clear on that. To me this is simply a test of the fediverse. If it works as intended, the devs political orientation shouldn’t matter. We’ll see.
Are we talking about the devs of Lemmy itself, or people specific to .ml?
.ml is run by the Lemmy devs.
Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up!
Oh that’s not good. That goes against the spirit of federation. I wonder what their reasons are.
Nobody knows for sure, but my guess is they blocked any request with “Bot” in the header, and blocked the “KbinBot” by accident.
Just a guess though.
Well, how do you feel about the Chinese government and the North Korean one? Good? Hopeful they expand? They do.
Hi friend! I’m not sure how this is possibly related to my question. But thank you anyway.
I think post suggests that lemmy.lm is moderated in way that supports ideology mentioned in the post.
This is what happens when you get your world views from right wing basement dwellers.
No, what happened is much simpler: I checked the biggest (at the time) instance, lemmygrad, and they had a warning about the kind of place that is. Here’s the link https://lemmygrad.ml/post/668436 and one of the top comments, at the time the top one https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/403994
Not a great start isn’t it? So I check the second biggest option, Lemmy.ml and… it looked pretty similar, even if not explicitly so. I did 2 + 2 and went back to reddit knowing that there was no alternative at the end of the month. (A couple days later I read that thousands of people joined and as such diluted things, and here I am)
Then I come here with a little hazy memory and help answer a question… making the mistake of conflating the two instances. Downvotes clearly inform me of the thing, and I just own up my fuck up. Like the saying goes, never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.
Side note, “Freedom of speech” and “no censorship” are admirable ideals, until you figure out that showing off weapons in protest against things you don’t like is neither of those, and demonizing a whole group of people because of what they are born as is oppression.
OP is annoyed because lemmy.ml devs are left-leaning and don’t encourage bombing muslim countries, killing gays or locking black people in areas abandoned by the government.
They do support Communist China’s repression and ethnic cleaning of Muslim regions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#:~:text=Beginning in 2014%2C the Chinese,legal process in internment camps.
They’ll shout that somehow the West forced them to do it. And it is all the west or the United States fault. They never accept that they do anything bad.