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It’s far easier to just not use Amazon than it is to not own a phone or computer.
Yes, it sucks there are no good options to buy an “ethical” phone, but phones are basically a necessity. Instead of shopping from Amazon you can shop from tons of other places.
This is the same thing people say to those who shop at Walmart - it’s not always a choice. Amazon has run out digital and brick and mortar shops alike. Sometimes someone needs something in 2-4 days and there is literally no other way to get it.
Another scenario: I know as a parent I try my best but when you have screaming toddlers and no sleep, yeah, I’m just going to buy that third replacement sippy cup off Amazon sometimes lol
A lot of people could go without it but guilt/shame isn’t the way and we should avoid painting with broad strokes.
Yeah, I try to buy stuff from brick and mortar stores. I figure that even if it’s a big box store at least there are actual employees working there who live in my area.
But I can’t even find the kind of underwear I like at any physical store near me. Even online, Amazon seems to be the only place that stocks it.
The same goes for the style of jacket that I prefer. I’ve spent months looking everywhere, and the only place where I’ve found even an approximation of what I want is Amazon.
I’ve noticed that even in big box stores nowadays the selection is pretty limited. You’ll see a wall of racks full of the same item. I don’t know if it’s supply chain issues or if they’ve just decided that it’s not worth the trouble of trying to stock a variety of items that only appeal to a relatively small number of people.
I went to Home Depot store looking for some (admittedly kinda weird) hardware and after browsing around for a while the store associate told me to buy it on Amazon.
I don’t really give a shit which billionaire asshole I give my money to so I focus on ease of search and delivery times and order from whomever is the best.
Oh god. You’re one of those people who act like raising kids wasn’t possible without all the modern luxuries. You’d have failed as a parent 30 years ago.
Every parent ever has taken the speedy route in a pinch. I think you might be extrapolating a tiny bit too much about my capability as a parent but you’re obviously trying to get me to rage over it lol I’m far from parent of the year and I think my ego can handle that. So I’ll pass on the rage bait, but here’s a fun exercise for your own personal edification:
Go ask your parents if they cared about the environment or chose the easy route and did disposable diapers. After all, people went thousands of years without them and they’re just a recent invention filling landfills.
Surely you would use cloth diapers if you ever had a child because everyone did it prior and they’re so terrible for landfills/cloth diapers are by far the more sustainable and budget-friendly option, right? Is that a fair assessment?
As someone who recently tried the Fairphone 4 out to replace an absolutely dying OnePlus 5 I’ve had for years as well as the guy who uses open source everything/advocates for the same - It’s not a mainstream option at all yet. If they could decouple the software from the hardware better maybe people would be willing to deal with the bugs but eOS and Lineage, while awesome projects I support, don’t play with many “secure” apps at all due to how Google decided to lock them down and that alone is a deal breaker for anyone working where you need access to say…Outlook. Banking apps can have issues (depending on the bank) which while maybe easy to work around for you and I is a huge pain in the ass for most folks who just want their phone to work. Having to jump through hoops to get the Play store on there in the first place is not going to work for anyone who isn’t fully committed to the de-Googled experience. F-Droid is the first thing I install on a new phone but there’s no way it’s going to be my only portal to apps I need.
They are certainly meeting their own set goals, and the hardware while bulky doesn’t feel cheap or anything, so that’s great. I really love how easy it would be to replace most of the phone if/when broken, and the commitment to fair labor practices and control of the supply chain is tremendously commendable. But for a tool most humans rely on for day to day life, the honest truth is neither project is quite there yet to be adopted in the mainstream.
If it sounds like I’m shitting on either of these companies that isn’t my intent at all. I’m following the progress with FP5 and really look forward to seeing the ideas set here grow if they can.
If it sounds like I’m shitting on either of these companies
It does. The style of your argument makes the situation more complicated. No one said mainstream. From the sound of what you’re saying, monopolistic companies hindering compatibility will keep it that way. Apps will have bugs that need to be worked out, that’s just a given. Stating don’t get it because it’s not viable atm just makes this cyclical since there will be no consumer push to work the kinks out or let people learn about alternatives.
I think his point is it’s a big ask to ask people to deal with buggy/less feature-rich hardware for a product they use - arguably depend on - every day. It’s a valid point bring up.
I never said don’t get it, I was replying about viable alternatives. It’s just not for the majority of the market right now. It sucks, and I’d buy some future Fairphone or equivalent in a heartbeat once I can actually use it as my daily driver phone and not need to carry a second one for business use.
The number of people who think they’ve ordered food delivery “from” a local restaurant, not realizing it was actually made in an UberEats\DoorDash all-in-one “ghost kitchen” located in a nondescript building nearby, vastly exceeds the number of people who’ve heard the term “ghost kitchen”. One of the most well-known local pizza shop’s deliveries, actually come from ghost kitchens, here.
Shall we take a closer look at the brands you wear and the phone/computer(s) you own?
While hilarious I think the guy was making a fair enough point lol
Though we can all do better of course.
Please lord, don’t let chat bubble strawmen be the rest of my life. Amen.
It’s far easier to just not use Amazon than it is to not own a phone or computer.
Yes, it sucks there are no good options to buy an “ethical” phone, but phones are basically a necessity. Instead of shopping from Amazon you can shop from tons of other places.
This is the same thing people say to those who shop at Walmart - it’s not always a choice. Amazon has run out digital and brick and mortar shops alike. Sometimes someone needs something in 2-4 days and there is literally no other way to get it.
Another scenario: I know as a parent I try my best but when you have screaming toddlers and no sleep, yeah, I’m just going to buy that third replacement sippy cup off Amazon sometimes lol
A lot of people could go without it but guilt/shame isn’t the way and we should avoid painting with broad strokes.
Yeah, I try to buy stuff from brick and mortar stores. I figure that even if it’s a big box store at least there are actual employees working there who live in my area.
But I can’t even find the kind of underwear I like at any physical store near me. Even online, Amazon seems to be the only place that stocks it.
The same goes for the style of jacket that I prefer. I’ve spent months looking everywhere, and the only place where I’ve found even an approximation of what I want is Amazon.
I’ve noticed that even in big box stores nowadays the selection is pretty limited. You’ll see a wall of racks full of the same item. I don’t know if it’s supply chain issues or if they’ve just decided that it’s not worth the trouble of trying to stock a variety of items that only appeal to a relatively small number of people.
I went to Home Depot store looking for some (admittedly kinda weird) hardware and after browsing around for a while the store associate told me to buy it on Amazon.
I don’t really give a shit which billionaire asshole I give my money to so I focus on ease of search and delivery times and order from whomever is the best.
Oh god. You’re one of those people who act like raising kids wasn’t possible without all the modern luxuries. You’d have failed as a parent 30 years ago.
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Because they are just being nasty on the internet, sadly.
Because the idea that kids are so difficult to raise without next day delivery is a pathetic thing to imply.
That is all.
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Is this AI or were you having a stroke?
Either way, I go to a store and buy one. It’s pretty easy.
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Every parent ever has taken the speedy route in a pinch. I think you might be extrapolating a tiny bit too much about my capability as a parent but you’re obviously trying to get me to rage over it lol I’m far from parent of the year and I think my ego can handle that. So I’ll pass on the rage bait, but here’s a fun exercise for your own personal edification:
Go ask your parents if they cared about the environment or chose the easy route and did disposable diapers. After all, people went thousands of years without them and they’re just a recent invention filling landfills.
Surely you would use cloth diapers if you ever had a child because everyone did it prior and they’re so terrible for landfills/cloth diapers are by far the more sustainable and budget-friendly option, right? Is that a fair assessment?
Actually there are. Look up Fairphone and Shiftphone
As someone who recently tried the Fairphone 4 out to replace an absolutely dying OnePlus 5 I’ve had for years as well as the guy who uses open source everything/advocates for the same - It’s not a mainstream option at all yet. If they could decouple the software from the hardware better maybe people would be willing to deal with the bugs but eOS and Lineage, while awesome projects I support, don’t play with many “secure” apps at all due to how Google decided to lock them down and that alone is a deal breaker for anyone working where you need access to say…Outlook. Banking apps can have issues (depending on the bank) which while maybe easy to work around for you and I is a huge pain in the ass for most folks who just want their phone to work. Having to jump through hoops to get the Play store on there in the first place is not going to work for anyone who isn’t fully committed to the de-Googled experience. F-Droid is the first thing I install on a new phone but there’s no way it’s going to be my only portal to apps I need.
They are certainly meeting their own set goals, and the hardware while bulky doesn’t feel cheap or anything, so that’s great. I really love how easy it would be to replace most of the phone if/when broken, and the commitment to fair labor practices and control of the supply chain is tremendously commendable. But for a tool most humans rely on for day to day life, the honest truth is neither project is quite there yet to be adopted in the mainstream.
If it sounds like I’m shitting on either of these companies that isn’t my intent at all. I’m following the progress with FP5 and really look forward to seeing the ideas set here grow if they can.
That’s a bummer. Hope they manage to iron out those issues because I was planning on getting one when my Samsung dies.
I mean… get one and try it out! They have a fair return policy.
It does. The style of your argument makes the situation more complicated. No one said mainstream. From the sound of what you’re saying, monopolistic companies hindering compatibility will keep it that way. Apps will have bugs that need to be worked out, that’s just a given. Stating don’t get it because it’s not viable atm just makes this cyclical since there will be no consumer push to work the kinks out or let people learn about alternatives.
I think his point is it’s a big ask to ask people to deal with buggy/less feature-rich hardware for a product they use - arguably depend on - every day. It’s a valid point bring up.
I never said don’t get it, I was replying about viable alternatives. It’s just not for the majority of the market right now. It sucks, and I’d buy some future Fairphone or equivalent in a heartbeat once I can actually use it as my daily driver phone and not need to carry a second one for business use.
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It’s very easy to not order anything off Amazon
Oh my bad I guess I’m totally wrong. Such a convincing comment here.
You’re not wrong but on the other hand if you only have morals if it’s easy then I’d say your morals ain’t worth shit
Apparently Americans would die if not for uber and amazon.
The number of people who think they’ve ordered food delivery “from” a local restaurant, not realizing it was actually made in an UberEats\DoorDash all-in-one “ghost kitchen” located in a nondescript building nearby, vastly exceeds the number of people who’ve heard the term “ghost kitchen”. One of the most well-known local pizza shop’s deliveries, actually come from ghost kitchens, here.