Why YSK: People seem to, on average, think that a car takes a lot of fuel to start up. In reality, it takes on the order of a few millilitres of fuel to start an engine. That means if your car isn’t equipped with an automatic start/stop system to stop your engine instead of idling, it saves fuel to turn off your engine and start it back up when you need it.

Caveat: air conditioning and radio might not work with the engine turned off.

Scenarios where this might be useful include waiting for trains to pass at rail crossings, waiting for food at drive-throughs, dropping off or picking people up on the side of the road when they need to load stuff, etc. May not be a good idea to use this while waiting at a red light because starting the engine does take time which would annoy drivers behind you when the light turns green.

Some cars are equipped with systems that will automatically stop the engine when you are idling for a while (e.g. waiting for a red light). If yours is, then manually turning off your engine will probably result in reduced fuel savings compared to just relying on the car to do it for you.

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    1 year ago

    Some start stop engines have auxiliary oil pumps. I don’t know much about them besides random research I have done in the past out of curiosity.

    Napa also claims some vehicles have auxiliary water and transmission pumps as well.

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      That might be true, I’m not a mechanical engineer but despite that, my understanding is that within the engine block itself, cylinders are primarily lubricated via the system holding pressure. This pressure starts to drop the second the engine ceases.

      You can notice the effect on cars that have realtime oil temp monitors. Mine does, and it’s digital. My stable oil temp is around 216 degrees Fahrenheit. After a start-stop cycle, even for only 5-10 seconds or so, the temp drops about 5-8 degrees. After a minute, the temp is down 25 degrees. That’s significant. Essentially the engine is no longer “at temp” for the first 30 seconds or so after it resumes. That’s 30 seconds of additional semi-cold, under pressure wear each cycle.

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        1 year ago

        Then why do so many new car models have auto-stop features that kick in at red lights? They would not do that if it wasn’t more efficient.

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          Well I think I can answer that. It is more efficient for fuel consumption. They all have the systems because it allows them to hit better EPA fuel economy numbers. But better fuel consumption doesn’t mean there’s no effect on the engine.

          I’m not saying I’m 100% correct btw, I’m waiting for a mechanical engineer to explain why I’m wrong. But my limited understanding hasn’t found an answer for my concerns yet.

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        1 year ago

        My Ram start-stop automatically starts the engine back up once temps drop to a certain point for this exact reason.

        Auto stop-start has had many years of advancements to work out these issues.

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          That’s makes sense but from an engineering standpoint, anything below operating temp and pressure fundamentally causes more wear.

          It may be minimised with configurations such as you describe, but it’s still more wear than if the engine hadn’t stopped in the first place.

          How much, I don’t know, but over the course of hundreds of thousands of miles and thousands of stop-start cycles, it adds up.