I thought that Netflix would be caught out by the number of people turning to piracy, but I guess there’s also a lot of older people who have to setup their own account now that they can’t use a relative’s. Or just get the add on for the relative’s existing sub.
I cancelled my Netflix subscription, but it looks like I might need to set one up for my mum and my nan instead :/
Older people are an obvious demographic that won’t jump ship, but don’t turn a blind eye to the younger generation. It isn’t boomers who throw $70+ at video games on a constant basis. The threshold for a convenience/value ratio seems very low for a lot of people.
As an unrelated and statistically insignificant anecdote, the two biggest pirates I know are both actual literal boomers.
I’ve got a Sonarr/Plex setup that works really well for me, but it was a pain to get it all set up initially and I think even computer literate people would struggle.
I built my own computer, been using PCs since I was two years old, I know how to use CLIs and I already run Plex. But Sonarr was such a fucking hassle to set it up that I got halfway through the set up and gave up.
What they don’t explain is that you need two accounts (or more) for these to work.
A Usenet account.
An indexer account that is basically a search engine.
You also need a download app like nzbget. And ofc you setup an account on that and plug it into sonarr.
And an account for the nas or storage if it’s not local.
Sonarr searches the index, finds the files, talks to nzbget and says “download that shit for me and put it together”. Nzbget uses the Usenet account to fetch the stuff, assembles the parts and tells sonarr I’m done. Sonarr then renames it and puts it on your nas.
It’s admittedly fairly abstract, even for someone seasoned in systems admin work.
eh, as someone quite used to pirating on private trackers with qbittorrent, I didn’t find it too difficult to conceptualize once I really looked at how the *Arr pipeline works - at least with torrents. Usenet is an entirely different beast that I haven’t needed to tackle since torrents have everything I need so far.
As per most tech things, though, I don’t think there’s a good end-to-end guide out there (lots of piecemeal ones, though) and having good research skills and being able to fill in the gaps in guides yourself is pretty important.
As per most tech things, though, I don’t think there’s a good end-to-end guide out there (lots of piecemeal ones, though) and having good research skills and being able to fill in the gaps in guides yourself is pretty important.
Yeah for sure. For most non-techy folks using one of the arrs setups or even plex has a pretty steep curve.
It’s why Netflix will continue to make subs.
I think what’s missing from this article is they have had a show or two lately that have been solid. Ie: the Diplomat. And that will drive up subs. But not sure it has the staying power. Folks will flip back to something else when another service drops something good.
How do those things work? When I first saw them come in to existence I was under the impression they were just front ends for navigating and playing media in your personal library and storage, like windows media centre used to be, but they seem to be something altogether a lot more capable and complicated. Where does the content come from? Is it streamed?
The content is either ripped from Blu-ray/dvd or (most commonly) just pirated. Sonarr is an “automated” pirating software. You hook it up with a couple of popular torrent trackers, and configure TV shows you want to track/watch. It queried TVDB and other IMDb like services as well as torrent trackers to automatically detect when a new episode was released and auto-download it.
Plex is the media organizer/player after you’ve “acquired” your media.
We wait and see. My guess is the company looked at the number of 3rd party users verse official client and desktop users and decided: “Yep, we can lose them”. It will all depend on how much of a dive the site takes. Similar to all the leave campaigns on FB, Twitter, Digg, etc… it won’t shutdown by this protest.
I look at it that the best users will be the ones to leave.
IMO lurkers that just browse Reddit just for getting answers to something they were searching on Google will obviously continue using the app. For them this won’t matter, and they constitute the majority of the Reddit user-base.
I guess most of the Third Party App users are somewhat tech savvy and understand that their official app is a total piece of shit. But as you said, Reddit is okay with losing these somewhat small amount of users.
I think this is right, but there is a bit of a confounding factor in that mods and power users of reddit are disproportionately likely to jump ship IMO. So while the masses might still show up to reddit, it’s entirely possible that the quality of the content will take a nosedive anyway. I’m not really sure how much of a difference that makes. I suspect not enough of one to kill reddit off completely, but I do think there’s a good chance that it’s enough to get Lemmy off the ground and viable. I think we probably only need to see 1% or maybe even fewer users migrate here from reddit to make Lemmy active enough that I never have any reason to go back to reddit again.
So while the masses might still show up to reddit, it’s entirely possible that the quality of the content will take a nosedive anyway.
This. This is highly likely and if this happens, Reddit will be soon reduced to something like Quora. Still will be Google’s favourite, but won’t have the quality content and/or the community it needs to become what it once was.
Reddit has a different problem: most of the moderation and most of the content came from power users who are now jumping ship en masse, and Reddit, Inc doesn’t have anywhere near enough personnel to replace them. They’re a minority on Reddit as they are on Netflix, but whereas Netflix can live without them, Reddit cannot. With them gone, it’ll soon become a wasteland of spam and trolls like Usenet. This kills the platform.
So much for the great exodus that was predicted.
Savvy tech users consistently underestimate how much hostile corporate behavior the general population is willing to put up with.
I thought that Netflix would be caught out by the number of people turning to piracy, but I guess there’s also a lot of older people who have to setup their own account now that they can’t use a relative’s. Or just get the add on for the relative’s existing sub.
I cancelled my Netflix subscription, but it looks like I might need to set one up for my mum and my nan instead :/
Older people are an obvious demographic that won’t jump ship, but don’t turn a blind eye to the younger generation. It isn’t boomers who throw $70+ at video games on a constant basis. The threshold for a convenience/value ratio seems very low for a lot of people.
As an unrelated and statistically insignificant anecdote, the two biggest pirates I know are both actual literal boomers.
That’s true about young people tolerating it.
I’ve got a Sonarr/Plex setup that works really well for me, but it was a pain to get it all set up initially and I think even computer literate people would struggle.
You’re absolutely right.
I built my own computer, been using PCs since I was two years old, I know how to use CLIs and I already run Plex. But Sonarr was such a fucking hassle to set it up that I got halfway through the set up and gave up.
What they don’t explain is that you need two accounts (or more) for these to work.
A Usenet account.
An indexer account that is basically a search engine.
You also need a download app like nzbget. And ofc you setup an account on that and plug it into sonarr.
And an account for the nas or storage if it’s not local.
Sonarr searches the index, finds the files, talks to nzbget and says “download that shit for me and put it together”. Nzbget uses the Usenet account to fetch the stuff, assembles the parts and tells sonarr I’m done. Sonarr then renames it and puts it on your nas.
It’s admittedly fairly abstract, even for someone seasoned in systems admin work.
eh, as someone quite used to pirating on private trackers with qbittorrent, I didn’t find it too difficult to conceptualize once I really looked at how the *Arr pipeline works - at least with torrents. Usenet is an entirely different beast that I haven’t needed to tackle since torrents have everything I need so far.
As per most tech things, though, I don’t think there’s a good end-to-end guide out there (lots of piecemeal ones, though) and having good research skills and being able to fill in the gaps in guides yourself is pretty important.
Yeah for sure. For most non-techy folks using one of the arrs setups or even plex has a pretty steep curve.
It’s why Netflix will continue to make subs.
I think what’s missing from this article is they have had a show or two lately that have been solid. Ie: the Diplomat. And that will drive up subs. But not sure it has the staying power. Folks will flip back to something else when another service drops something good.
How do those things work? When I first saw them come in to existence I was under the impression they were just front ends for navigating and playing media in your personal library and storage, like windows media centre used to be, but they seem to be something altogether a lot more capable and complicated. Where does the content come from? Is it streamed?
The content is either ripped from Blu-ray/dvd or (most commonly) just pirated. Sonarr is an “automated” pirating software. You hook it up with a couple of popular torrent trackers, and configure TV shows you want to track/watch. It queried TVDB and other IMDb like services as well as torrent trackers to automatically detect when a new episode was released and auto-download it.
Plex is the media organizer/player after you’ve “acquired” your media.
If everyone who hosts Jellyfin/Plex/Emby shares the instance with a few friends or family members…
When was the last time you actually did watch Netflix, and even then how often have you watched it?
Soo…what about reddit?
We wait and see. My guess is the company looked at the number of 3rd party users verse official client and desktop users and decided: “Yep, we can lose them”. It will all depend on how much of a dive the site takes. Similar to all the leave campaigns on FB, Twitter, Digg, etc… it won’t shutdown by this protest.
I look at it that the best users will be the ones to leave.
IMO lurkers that just browse Reddit just for getting answers to something they were searching on Google will obviously continue using the app. For them this won’t matter, and they constitute the majority of the Reddit user-base.
I guess most of the Third Party App users are somewhat tech savvy and understand that their official app is a total piece of shit. But as you said, Reddit is okay with losing these somewhat small amount of users.
I think this is right, but there is a bit of a confounding factor in that mods and power users of reddit are disproportionately likely to jump ship IMO. So while the masses might still show up to reddit, it’s entirely possible that the quality of the content will take a nosedive anyway. I’m not really sure how much of a difference that makes. I suspect not enough of one to kill reddit off completely, but I do think there’s a good chance that it’s enough to get Lemmy off the ground and viable. I think we probably only need to see 1% or maybe even fewer users migrate here from reddit to make Lemmy active enough that I never have any reason to go back to reddit again.
This. This is highly likely and if this happens, Reddit will be soon reduced to something like Quora. Still will be Google’s favourite, but won’t have the quality content and/or the community it needs to become what it once was.
I think, and hope, that you’re correct.
Reddit has a different problem: most of the moderation and most of the content came from power users who are now jumping ship en masse, and Reddit, Inc doesn’t have anywhere near enough personnel to replace them. They’re a minority on Reddit as they are on Netflix, but whereas Netflix can live without them, Reddit cannot. With them gone, it’ll soon become a wasteland of spam and trolls like Usenet. This kills the platform.
I’ve looked into it and the data is for 2 days. It might be an outlier…