• Deceptichum@kbin.social
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      Israel has been going after Palestinian civilians for decades.

      So you also admit Israel is a terrorist state and that they have zero credibility?

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        Do you have specific instances of Israel actually targeting civilians when they’re not being used as human shields? They’ve bombed civilian buildings, but usually because Hamas uses those buildings to house weapons. And with roof knocking/alerts, they are at least making some effort to limit collateral damage

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          They just pointed out how using your logic neither side has any credibility due to their subjugation and murdering of innocent civilians.

          The events of the past are not relevant when the events of the current are beyond the boundaries of what’s acceptable to the rest of humanity.

          Except in this case both parties actively go beyond the boundaries of what’s acceptable to the rest of humanity

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            Also that “events of the past” vs “events of the current” dichotomy is just some S-tier mental gymnastics. It’s all in the past. The Hamas attack, Israel’s more recent attack that also killed loads of civilians. If you know about the event, then it’s already happened. That’s just how time works.

            They’re just choosing some arbitrary point in the past to start counting so they can claim one side is the victim and the other are the terrorists, but they’re pretending to have some objective basis for it although that falls down the moment you look at it.

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              Well let’s go all the way back then. What does the Israelis own history say vis a vis the Bible / Torah? Oh yeah it says the cannaanites were there first and the only claim they have to that land is literally " we know u were here but god told us this is ours"

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      I mean are you suggesting that it would be a better tactic for hamas to engage in pitched battles with the IDF? Come on. If we accept that they have the right to fight we’re gonna have to come to terms with the fact that they are not in a position to engage in peer vs peer combat. Everything they do will be asymmetrical.

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        Honestly the fact that neither side has stood in an honourable square formation and shot musket laden volley after volley into each other says a lot about how barbaric they are.

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        I don’t think you understand what asymmetrical warfare means, it usually doesn’t involve massacring and torturing civilians for zero strategic gain. That’s just terrorism

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            Assymetric warfare would generally include targets of some military value. There’s some overlap but calling this justified in any way is just providing cover for Hamas to do whatever they want.

            If you want to argue honestly, Hamas has done nothing but exploit and screw over the Palestinian people. They’ve destroyed any future for Gaza and caused their own people to die, again and again.

            • AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social
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              How is me explaining that the idea of engaging in pitched battles anywhere close to me justifying fucking anything, or propping up hamas. Like most zionists you are completely incapable of actually engaging.