It finally happened: many Reddit 3rd party apps have officially shut down. With it comes an influx of users looking for a new place.
With the influx come new points of view, new kinds of users with different expectations. This change is already visible, with obvious trolls and attention seekers throwing out bait. What if there is more to it however?

Browsing casually I noticed more and more kbin posts critical of its development, its functioning, and the speed at which @ernest is able to implement updates.

I find it odd that, while denouncing kbin for its current flaws in deployment (despite being clearly stated to be in alpha) the owner of that instance proceeds to praise Lemmy and wave away concerns regarding its devs who

(Lemmy devs) are willing to create a product that makes the entire internet better, and share it with everyone, for free, regardless of your beliefs.

despite having proven that their politics do affect their product.

“Just defederate” in my opinion also is not an argument. It’s closing your eyes to a problem propagated by those who benefit from influence from the shadows - on both sides of the political spectrum.

Hence my mention of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) and Tribalism.
Pushing users towards a preferred platform (in this case, Lemmy) by seeding threadiverse posts with statements such as

  • kbin isn’t ready
  • kbin won’t have the same engagement as Lemmy
  • the single kbin dev @ernest doesn’t have enough time/skill
  • it will never be as good as Reddit

will just lead to Reddit 2.0 painted in red and yellow. As kbin users, we should combat this kind of behavior.

We’re all here for a better threadiverse, and a singular means of interacting will not be beneficial to its growth. The reason we’re here is because we want a Reddit-like environment, not a single ‘frontpage of the internet’. Tribalism in the threadiverse will get us nowhere fast.

Perhaps it was unintentional that kbin was not federating properly with Lemmy instances. What I am afraid of is, knowing the track record of Lemmy devs, it follows a scary trajectory, reminiscent of a few tried and true tactics Reddit and others have used before.

I’d like to state that I am not unbiased. I am helping out with Artemis, a kbin app currently in development.
I do not want to support or make use of Lemmy for many reasons. However, I could not care less if someone is from a Lemmy instance, or if I interact with them in that same space. If I see Lemmy.ml/Lemmygrad.ml behind their name, I will be cautious of their intentions however.

Let’s hope we, not as ‘rexxiters’, ‘kbinauts’ or ‘lemmings’, but as fediverse users can actually create a product that makes the entire internet better, and share it with everyone, for free, regardless of our beliefs.

  • lavender@kbin.socialOP
    2·
    1 year ago

    They behaved as if discussions of other Fedivese microblogs themselves were some sort of existential threat to the Fediverse.

    The web keeps evolving, and honestly in the end usability and accessibility will be key. We’re waiting for a project that can lower the bar for the ‘common’ user who wants to click a button and yell into the void. Probably Meta’s intended audience. I expect that this future project will in turn become more of a containment zone than an actual place for discussion, but hey at least the folks who want more than Twitter/Reddit 2.0 will have an entry point to the rest of the fediverse without having to deal with the semantics of it.

    Incidentally, where in kbin does it show what type of service other users are using?

    Ah, I meant the hostname, not the specific type/kind of instance. Still, to at least be able to differentiate on source rather than claiming everything as its own content, is something I do appreciate. It would either teach me to ignore or value certain contributions more or less, given their origins - i.e. an instance ran by propaganda machines or big business.

    • Kichae@kbin.social
      3·
      1 year ago

      We’re waiting for a project that can lower the bar for the ‘common’ user who wants to click a button and yell into the void. Probably Meta’s intended audience. I expect that this future project will in turn become more of a containment zone

      Yeah, I can honestly say that I’m not waiting for that lower bar, and I’ll be happy if those folks stay with Twitter and Reddit until they finally go bankrupt.

      Which’ll be a while.

      It would be nice if Meta’s AP-supporting Twitter competitor didn’t turn out to be profitable, too, but this isn’t a Metaverse gimmick, it’s right in Meta’s wheelhouse, and is right there with their core business. I’m sure it’ll capture a lot of people from Twitter too impatient to wait for BlueSky, and will make money.

      At least I can blacklist it if it starts being a problem.