• TheHolm@aussie.zone
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    1 year ago

    Sorry as soon you start to separate people by their ancestry it is racism, apartheid it just one of the from to act on it. Unfortunately racism is too loaded, so i used milder word.
    So, why first nation is inherently different to all other nations which now live in Australia? Why they need special treatment? Been first to arrive ? And it is still not clear to me how you can compensate for suffering to people who already dead? Division is never good, it just gives people chance to hate each other.

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      How the fuck is apartheid milder than racism? One is hate, the other is actively trying to subjugate the race. They may be linked, but you’re delusional if you think apartheid is the “milder word”.

      And we’ve given all the information in this thread, but you either can’t or refuse to understand it. I dunno how you have lived this long on earth and don’t know that first nations people have generally got the shit end of the stick throughout history. Cos who gives a shit if the original people who were wronged are dead, this sort of trauma is encoded in their genes and carried by the following generations. It shits me immensely that you have the same voting power as me, yet you are so incredibly ignorant it’s almost to the point of stupidity.

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        1 year ago

        So than why repeat same mistakes now and wrong other people? Racism is wrong, regardless of intention. As long we do not stop separating people by their ancestry shit will not stop.

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          BECAUSE THE VOICE WASNT FUCKING RACIST. This panel was proposed to give our first nations people equal footing in decisions that are made that affect them. The very fucking opposite of racism. We weren’t seperating them, we were including them.

          Why is it that you’ve so easily swallowed right wing lies but won’t see the truth when it is put in front of you? It makes me sick to think you’re the best your country could send here. We have enough racists, we don’t need more.

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            1 year ago

            No other race in Australia have a panel. Differential treatment based on race = racism. Sorry, there is no way out of it. Does not matter of intention, it is what is it.

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                1 year ago

                It is about giving special voice to first nation which is race. It is clear as day.

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                  Let’s flip this a bit. How would you feel if women made decisions about how men should live their life, but not consult them to see if this would help them or make life difficult for them? That’s all the voice was going to do. It wasn’t going to make it’s own laws or anything like that. It would always be the politicians elected by the general public that was going to do that. It was about making things level for first nations people’s. You keep saying you want everyone in Australia to be treated the same, THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE VOICE YOU DICKHEAD.

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                    It may be a point but it uses unacceptable methods. If voice was about , “let’s give any deprived people more voice” ( and define how it is actually will work) i would vote yes.

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              No other race in Australia has a history of subjugation and misrepresentation that is centuries old. And for the last fucking time, I’ll explain this again - THERE IS NO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE PANEL WAS TO MAKE SURE ANYTHING THAT MAY AFFECT THEM WAS FAIR. THEY GOT NOTHING SPECIAL. Stop repeating propoganda and actually read what I and others are saying, it makes you look dumber than rocks when you keep going on with this horseshit line of codswallop you’re spewing.