Imma preface this by saying that I’m not an admin or mod here, these are just my thoughts & advice on the matter.

You’ve noticed that a community doesn’t exist on Lemmy. I’m going to assume you’ve checked the community browser, and seen that that specific community doesn’t exist. So, you’ve gone to communities, typed in the name, and are about to hit create.

Well, hold up a second. There’s an INSANE amount of community spam going on in lemmy.ml, and it looks like it’s starting here to a much lesser degree.

Some questions you should ask:

  1. Are you creating this community just to create it? By that I mean, are you willing to put in the work as the moderator if it does take off?

  2. Is it a niche community of a larger subset that has a thriving community or a completely new category?

  3. Are you willing to regularly post stuff to start seeding comments & advertise it in the relevant places?

If the answer to any of these is no, get your cursor off that create button and go join the bigger communities. It just makes it harder to find communities that aren’t 100% dead when half of them are dead-ends created just because ‘they exist on Reddit’. Once there are enough people are visiting !gaming@beehaw.org, they spill over into !rpg@lemmy.ml if they want more focused TTRPG stuff. Once there are enough people on !rpg@lemmy.ml, they’ll spill over to my Shadowrun group. Lots of communities are fractal in nature, and people are skipping a few steps. The userbase needs time to grow and mature.

Please think before you make a community.

  • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Really smart post. I was just about to create an Always Sunny in Philadelphia community but I’m gonna wait.

    I’m assuming that the server admin (AKA theDude) can also delete dead/spam communities if it becomes necessary. Might make sense to nip our nfl community in the bud and direct people to !nfl@lemmy.ml

    • Barbarian@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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      1 year ago

      For something like that, I’d heavily recommend posting all your ASiP memes and shenanigans over in !television@lemmy.ml. Whenever that community gets too noisy (not gonna happen in a while), you can split it off to your own community.

      For the NFL stuff, it’s actually ok to have a duplicate I think, but the moderator’s gotta be actively cross-posting to the other one for visibility

      • manifex@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
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        1 year ago

        What’s your opinion of lemmy.ml and beehaw? I saw some beehaw admins pissing and moaning about costs with the new uptick of users and a bunch of gatekeeping behavior.

        • Barbarian@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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          1 year ago

          My experience with beehaw has been overall positive. They have a core vision of what they want out of their community. “Gatekeeping” is maybe a strong word, but they don’t accept people unless they fit the general vibe of what they want to build. What they want to build is a little too specific and narrow for my tastes, but more power to them for trying. The users themselves tend to be positive and great conversationalists (not surprising considering the essay they have to write to get in :P )

          lemmy.ml is really suffering though. They are massively overloaded with people who see developer-run and think “Main instance, this is where I should join”. There’s no unifying identity, or even much moderation. The devs are far too busy building software to do more than very basic moderation. Consequently, it’s the inmates running the asylum.

          This place feels like a nice balance between the extremes so far: it’s a relatively techy place which suits me fine, but isn’t overly strict. I don’t know how it will develop in the future, but the little community-building done so far has felt more like suggestions and helping eachother out than the madness of lemmy.ml or the strict rules of beehaw.org

          • manifex@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
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            1 year ago

            Wow, great insight. I’m really happy to have joined sh.itjust.works… Seems like a well resourced and neutral place with a great balance so far. There’s a bit of community creep, but the good ones will ‘bubble up.’ Thank you!

        • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
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          1 year ago

          To be frank, I think we need many more neutral default instances, because both lemmy.ml and beehaw strike me as insular communities with strong opinions about certain topics. They have been here significantly longer than me, and I think the relative obscurity of the platform was something they valued to some degree. I think they are nice enough people, but they do not seem prepared or willing to absorb a massive reddit influx of people from all different walks of life.

  • Ai of the Storm@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I created the https://sh.itjust.works/c/vtubers community just now.

    1. Are you creating this community just to create it? By that I mean, are you willing to put in the work as the moderator if it does take off?
    • I’ve already started the welcome post and created some basic, common-sense rules. I’ve never moderated a HUGE community before, but I imagine my skill will grow with the community. If nothing else, I know where to look for help if I need it!
    1. Is it a niche community of a larger subset that has a thriving community or a completely new category?
    • I couldn’t find any communities related to streaming that already existed. While vtubing is a niche of the greater livestreaming phenomenon, it’s growing in popularity on its own, and my expertise is within vtubing rather than general livestreaming.
    1. Are you willing to regularly post stuff to start seeding comments & advertise it in the relevant places?
    • Whether or not it takes off, I’m planning to post regularly. I’m hoping that it will grow organically rather than by brute force advertisement.

    No matter what happens, I think it’ll be fun. I’m not in this for power or for building THE BIGGEST community, I’m looking for a new place to spend my free time now that reddit is imploding. If things go sideways, the delete button exists.

  • PoodleDoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Replying here so I can find this post again. I was super confused on how to find larger communities. I think this breaks it down pretty well. Thank you.

  • nanoUFO@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    1 year ago

    There is only two active gaming communities one of them is lemmy.ml and I don’t care for it and beehaw’s has no downvotes and too much discussion. Midwest social also isn’t what I would want from a games community. I just want mostly gaming news, with some very general discussions that don’t specifically talk about a single game.

      • nanoUFO@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Hah I didn’t specify but I was trying to fill it, but we will see how it progresses. Maybe one of the big ones will turn more news oriented over time.

    • Barbarian@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      That’s fine man, if you can manage the community at current scale and are actively posting there, then this was not aimed at you.

      This was aimed at people who make communities, never post in them, and hope that their mere existence will summon contributors from the ether.