• Sami@lemmy.zip
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      And if they are not let back in who will hold Israel accountable? Many of the people being bombed refuse to leave their homes for this very reason (as well as the south getting targeted by bombs/no shelter/no supplies either way so might as well keep whatever semblance of dignity they have left). They don’t trust Israel to allow them to return home due to historical precedent.

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        Those who don’t want to leave can stay, others shouldn’t be forced to become meat shields in a war they didn’t want.

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          Tell that to the people that refuse to leave their house due to what I previously described. The last election in Gaza was in 2006. The average resident of Gaza was about 1 year old at the time. This conflict did not start yesterday. The Gazan population does not trust the international community to protect their right to return and they sure don’t trust the Israelis.

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              You can’t carpet bomb civilians then blame a country for not accepting 2 million refugees. Leveling the sector with air strikes is not a requirement.

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                  Once again, the continuous bombing is a military choice by Israel. It’s because they don’t want to fight on the ground and value Palestinian civilian lives infinitely less than they value the lives of their own soldiers.

                  If that’s what you got from what I said then you’re deliberately being obtuse. Even if you evacuate 1.5 million civilians to Egypt what do you do with the 500k that stay? Are they alright to kill because they chose to remain in their homes?

                  I’ve left my home country due to the deteriorating situation from events indirectly caused by this conflict so I guess that’s my “agenda”. I am against the collective displacement AND collective punishment of Palestinians and the further destabilization of the region as a sick form of “revenge”.

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              Right now, civilians don’t have a choice to leave the warzone. That’s intentional thaks to Hamas, Netanyahu, Egypt, Jordan, etc.

              Ftfy

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      If it was any other country your argument would be substantive. But we are talking about Israel and Palestine. Anyone who leaves will not be able to return. That’s how it’s always been. And for the Palestinians, their land is their existence. They will not give it up. They know the second they leave, it’s been lost.

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          It would be mathematically impossible for them to have elected Hamas since 50% of them are 18 and younger, and the last election was held over 17 years ago.

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          You do realize this is advocating for genocide - the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.

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            I think at this point, the genocide is in progress. Like the caregivers in this article, what we’re discussing is triage.

            I think it’s unconscionable to evacuate the Gaza strip, because we all know that the intention is to never allow the refugees to return. But I would like the Palestinians of Gaza to have the option to choose whether to survive in exile or die in their homes.

            I believe that the Palestinian identity can survive in a diaspora. But that’s all academic. These people deserve the option to escape, even regardless of what it means for the future of their ethnic group. It’s a painful choice, but it should be there’s.

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              If some decide to stay, what happens to them? Does the world condemn them to death because it’s too problematic to deal with? Does the world force them at gunpoint? Israel has the power to stop this, it’s the easier path.

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              But I would like the Palestinians of Gaza to have the option to choose whether to survive in exile or die in their homes.

              Oh wow, how magnanimous of you.

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              It’s 2.2 million people. It’s a logistical nightmare. Any country/countries that take them in will have a drain on their resources. They will need aid. Or, just spitballing here, Israel could just stop.

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                And that should happen with them until Israel listens to reason and stops? Because if they stay in Gaza more will die.

                It’s 2.2m or 2.3m people. Remember Syria? That was 5 millions leaving the country so cut the crap about it being impossible.

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                  I didn’t say it was impossible, it’s impractical. The easier solution is for the world to pressure Israel to stop the bombing.

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                    You’re still dodging the issue.

                    What. Happens. In. The. Meantime?

                    They won’t stop in the next 5 minutes or the next hour or the next day. What do you do to protect the people until the bombing stops?

                    How many Ukrainians refugees got sent to other countries? Hint: A whole lot more than 2.3 millions.

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                  The West, particularly the US where I am, has way more power to stop Israel than it has to force Egypt to accept refugees. They don’t need to “listen to reason” they need to be told to stop or we’ll stop propping up your entire economy and defense apparatus.

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                    Ok? They won’t stop in the next hour or two, how do we protect the civilians until they do?