• SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world
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    Stalin was authoritarian? Not too far off from a Nazi with the atrocities he committed as well. Not a really apt comparison.

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      No, he was totalitarian. Example of authorutarian is Putin. I would reccomend you to watch Shulman’s lectures about totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, but you will not understand it unless you know russian. Or unless there is lecture in english.

      TLDR: “I will kill you for the Idea” is totalitarism, libertarianism is autocracy.

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        Totalitarianism is a case of authoritarianism.

        On that note, “I will kill you for the idea” is fanaticism.

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          No. Authoritarism implies depoliticization of society and promises like “we won’t touch you, you won’t touch us”, while totalitarism implies very politicized society. Both are dictatorships, but they work differently.

          Not saying that one dictator is better than the other.

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            This is not the first time a Russian fails to comprehend Russian language.

            The claim you’re making is a description of “informational autocracy”, which Shulman claims modern Russia were.

            No idea what she claims now, when Russia has clearly moved past using just information to control its population since February 2022.

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      The only thing Stalin had in common with the Nazis was that he was a socialist. But like many oppressive figures, he only liked the idea of socialism because it traps your underlings into dependency which makes them easier to control under a tyrannical rule.

      “He committed atrocities” is not the definition of being a Nazi. If that’s your definition, that’s non-standard and people will misunderstand your points.

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        Nazis weren’t socialist. They picked the title to muddy the water on their actual position. They killed socialists and communists first.

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          Check the 25-point program of the NSDAP. They definitely had socialist points like

          We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts).

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          We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

          But yeah, once they gained their dictatorship they were more focused on nationalism and killing those they didn’t like.

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              They abused socialist ideas to rise to power, as I have written in my initial post. How did I exactly “get that wrong”?

              Look up Gregor Strasser, Hitler’s right hand until sometime in the early 1930s and then tell me that guy was not a socialist. Which is probably why he got killed during the Night of Long Knives.

              Also look at the poem. Stalin was a communist, so he would have been killed even before the socialists. Saying Stalin was “not too far off from a Nazi” is still something that is in need to be explained lol

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                By still laboring under the delusion that lying about having socialist ideas in order to gain power for the purpose of slaughtering socialists somehow makes them socialist.

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                  Ok, point taken, I thought it was abundantly clear that I equated the abuse of socialist ideas as the only common factor in the ideology of Hitler and Stalin. I didn’t think it was possible to misconstrue

                  But like many oppressive figures, he only liked the idea of socialism because it traps your underlings into dependency which makes them easier to control under a tyrannical rule.

                  as calling the Nazis “socialists”. I guess, I was wrong about that.

                  Now explain to me how Stalin was “not too far off from a Nazi”?

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        oh wow my first “nazis were socialists” post on lemmy. [bender taking photo “neat”] Place is getting big. I mean that’s how you know you made it to the big leagues.

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          Just like North Korea is democratic. “It’s right there in the name! The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea!” /s, for the stupid.

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        “He committed atrocities” is not the definition of being a Nazi. If that’s your definition, that’s non-standard and people will misunderstand your points.

        That’s the nicest “stop making shit up motherfucker” I’ve seen

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        He was a fascist authoritarian dictator who committed countless atrocities under the guise of “socialism”. He is very much like Hitler, historically. But no, he wasn’t a “Nazi”.

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          Stalin wasn’t fascist, though. Authoritarian, yes; dictator, yes. Fascism is specifically a far-right ideology, though. It’s not synonymous with authoritarianism or totalitarianism, though those terms overlap.