They were a good indicator for notifications that are missed when you were away from phone.

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    Their absence encourages you to check your phone more often, which means you’ll unlock it and look at some content more often, which means as revenue for someone.

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      Being honest I think the opposite of this is more likely true. Seeing a flashing indicator for all the notifications my phone “thinks” are important is going to make me more likely to constantly check my phone. Barring that I check when I want to. And with the new passive display modes I can glance and decide whether to even unlock or not.

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        passive display

        This is the real answer for OP. Those lights were replaced. Maybe OP (and maybe me as well, I haven’t really thought about it) would prefer to still have the notification LED, but to the hardware manufacturers they replaced those with something “cooler”.

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      Genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if this was the truth. The tactics these companies employ are both putridly-covert, yet brilliantly executed - especially so if it also saves a few cents.

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    Higher end Smartphones have anyway always on displays. And the led needs screenspace - which should be maximized. That’s why the notch on phones etc. was introduced.

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    I also love notification LEDs.

    I’m pretty sure the main reason for them disappearing is the displays extending all the way to to edge. There isn’t any room left where to place it.

    Also, on phones with always-on display, you can use the display to show notifications, the led is redundant.

    But still, I find them really useful and am sad to see them being phased out.

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      My phone does not have a LED notification light. It does however have a little green LED hidden near the front facing camera which is within the screen area. This light comes on only when using the front facing camera and I assume is some kind of indicator light. Why this can’t be dual purpose or why another LED or even small sections of screen can’t be used for notifications is beyond me.

      I think the real reason they removed the notification light is to make people use their phones more. Now instead of a glance to see a light I actually have to touch my screen which could allow additional scans of my figerprints or face and could contribute to data tracking when I am most active on my phone.

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        Personally, I want that light to have one purpose and one purpose only, which is to tell me when the camera is on. It should be hardwired into the circuit powering that front facing camera and not touched by software at all, otherwise you open up the risk of someone recording you with the indicator disabled.

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          I didn’t think of this use case of the light. I honestly just assumed that most cameras would be able to bypass the light and record you anyway because I have very little trust left in big tech companies. Either way with our screen advancements it should be possible to embed a small LED or use a small section of screen for notification lights.

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    Sony Xperia user here, I recommend your Next phone should be a Sony. Not only does it still have notification LEDs, it also has an SD card slot and a headphone jack…and a 5500mah battery. Will never go back to Samsung again

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      How long does Sony support their hardware with OS updates? Do they lock down the ability to run custom roms?

      I left Samsung because their flagship phones lost support after a couple of years and they made it harder and harder to load custom ROMs.

      I move to apple mostly because it is the easiest to support my kids on and they support the phones for what seems like forever, making my hand me down phones much more valuable for much longer. I’d consider jumping back to android if I could expect a phone to be useful and up to date for 4ish years.

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        I’m still rocking my Pixel 3 with no complaints! I dumped Samsung once the Pixels came out. So much less bullshit preloaded into it.

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        My 1 Xperia IV has an unlocked bootloader, headphone jack and is water proof. Don’t know how long they will support this phone but I still get updates.

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          Have you had an instance where you have to relock the bootloader and return the phone to factory state for an RMA? If yes, how did it go?

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      Oh gawd, this takes me back to the cute little X10 Mini Pro I had. Such a handy little device for the time, had a slide out keyboard. I miss those.

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    I gotta say, sometimes I miss my fully customized LED on my blackberry back in the day. It could be in the bottom of a gym bag and I’d still know if I missed a Google Talk message (green) or a Facebook alert (dark blue) or an email (light blue), etc etc etc.

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        Did it go through multiple colors when you had notifications from different apps at the same time?

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        I had a cool LED on my old Sony which pulsed to the beat of music playing. It also covered the whole of the bottom of the phone and also showed when the phone was upside down. It was well cool.

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      I don’t understand how Blackberry managed to drive itself into the ground like it did. I need a modern BB 9900 ASAP.

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    Off topic a little but I stop most of my messaging app to notify me. And my life is so much more peaceful. I told everyone when they connect with me on any messaging app that it’ll take time for me to answer. I’ll read it when I remember to read it, which I do like once or twice a day. They adapt to that and if it’s really important they’ll call.

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      It doesn’t illuminate the same though ☹️ . Have a new phone with no LED and an old OnePlus phone I use as a back up with a dedicated LED.

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    iPhone = Settings / Accessibility / Audio Visual “LED Flash for Alerts” (at the bottom)

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      I hate that everything useful is being thrown out the window for “water proofing.” Fuck that, people need to quit being so lazy and careless with their shit.

      And I’m calling bullshit on the dust thing. I’m not saying it’s a negligible consideration, but it’s not something they need to start gelding features for. That’s just a horseshit excuse to effectuate planned obsolescence and sell you overpriced accessories.

      I still use an 8 year old phone with a tool-free replaceable battery, headphone jack, and microSD slot. I live in the country, there’s dust everywhere and it would be dead by now if dust was such a problem.

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        Look I live in a place where we get sideways torrential rain. Often. I need my phone to be waterproof enough to survive my commute to work on a bad day

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      This defense of feature removal always conveniently ignores the phones that manage to accomplish fantastic ingress ratings even with headphone jacks, SD cards, etc.

      It’s not because of water/dust. It’s purely cost cutting.

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          That’s not quite true: other parts fail more often. I’ve never once had a headphone jack or micro SD card slot on a phone break on me. I’ve had headphone jacks on other devices break, but pretty rarely. On other audio equipment, 1/4" jacks break all the time, but headphones jacks just aren’t subject to that kind of force. I don’t remember anyone I know personally having issues with those things. LED’s are incredibly robust as long as you don’t put too much current through them or invert the polarity. And you wouldn’t want that much current for a mere indicator anyways.

          The part most likely to break is the screen. Next is the battery, which doesn’t break but rather wears. Next is the charging port (depends on the standard, but this is less of a concern recently with USB-C, Lighting, and wireless charging). Next is physical buttons (power, volume, etc). Then you start getting to the point of headphone jacks and micro SD cards. It’s hard to find solid academic research, and a lot of this varies over time and by make and model, but a quick search turns up a bunch of articles from cell phone repair places that back this up.

          Also worth mentioning that the CPU, RAM, and updates, along with the ever-increasing demands of apps a d websites, means phones that were powerhouses 10 years ago are barely able to do anything today even if the hardware is in pristine condition. That’s a whole other problem, and others have pointed out the waste and evils of intent obsolescence. Related to headphone jacks, SD cards, and indicator LED’s: that further invalidates the reliability and longevity arguments because those parts are going to last way longer than the main parts of the phone would anyways.

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      I’m not convinced by this argument: at the back of the phone is a built-in LED (used as the flash). Which could be used for notifications too.
      Phones with OLED screens could use part of the screen as a notification as well. Both of these can be accomplished in software. Currently you have to notice that something happens as it happens, otherwise you need to at leas activate the screen. The notification LED was useful in that you could glance at your phone and see if you missed something.

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        I use an app on my Pixel 7 that uses a small portion of the OLED around the front facing camera cutout to generate custom colored notifications. This is similar to how dynamic island on IOS works and since I do not use the always on display it mimics an LED light for my notification needs.

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    My guess it is cheaper to do software features rather than a physical led … cutting costs at every corner

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    The whole front of modern phone is a display, there’s simply no space for a notification LED.

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    When you have questions like this, the answer is almost always money.

    For this particular question, it is money - the cost of the LEDs (which is of course minimal, but multiplied by millions of phones), but also manufacturing (need to have a hole in the case to let the LED shine though which can let water ingress into phone). To make those holes water tight would add more cost so instead they decided to use the screen itself as the notification method. I think Motorola’s implementation of this was the best - they had their always on display to show notifications and a single tap would let you see what the message was even if the phone was locked.