• Bernie Ecclestoned@sh.itjust.works
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      Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, and in return Ukraine gave up their nuclear deterrent.

      The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,[3] prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, “except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.” As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

      Are you going to argue that Russia is acting in self defense?

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        The Budapest Memorandum was violated and therefore nullified before 2014. It literally says that in your wikipedia article

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          On 4 March the Russian president Vladimir Putin replied to a question on the violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the current Ukrainian situation as a revolution: “a new state arises, but with this state and in respect to this state, we have not signed any obligatory documents”.[32] Russia stated that it had never been under obligation to “force any part of Ukraine’s civilian population to stay in Ukraine against its will”. Russia suggested that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and described the Euromaidan as a US-instigated coup.

          That’s your level of proof, because Putin said so?

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        Are you going to argue that Russia is acting in self defense?

        It seems like both regimes violated their treaties: Kiev Violates Minsk Agreement Causing Fighting To Resume In Ukraine. There was also an oral treaty that talked about eastern expansion of NATO (which some call “a terrorist organization”), but it wasn’t written, as far as I know. The USA also acted in “self-defense” against many countries, nearly 400 according to Wikipedia.

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          Also, why does Russia not have loads of troops near the border with Finland?

          Surely, if NATO is such a threat. Why?

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            I don’t know you, but I’m being forced to pay more taxes and the inflation caused by the economic sanctions to support this puppet regime that bans all opposition, forces people to die on the battlefield and doesn’t let people leave the country.

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          “Oral treaty”, oral international treaty… now that sounds like a heavily manipulative level of naivety.