• lugal@lemmy.world
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    The meme makes fun of a post that compares capitalism to cancer by saying “all life is about limitless growth, not just cancer”. This is wrong. Life “knows” its limits. Capitalism doesn’t, neither does cancer

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      The only limit to life is the available resources, same with cancer, same with capitalism.

      Life will continue until it ends or consumes the universe, just like cancer does with a human body, or a capitalist does to a society.

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        Life reaches a balance. Most parasites don’t kill their host and even if they do, they won’t kill the whole population which would kill the parasite itself. Cancer does exactly that. It kills just one individual but can’t spread to others so it destroys its whole basis of being (since it’s not a parasite).

        Capitalism is on its way to do exactly that. It spreads over the world, exploiting resources beyond repair and just moves on. It expects exponential growth for some reason and that isn’t sustainable. Life doesn’t do that.

        You can disagree but don’t call me illiterate. I’m trying to keep calm and civil but if you don’t understand my points, maybe you are stupid, not me.

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          Life reaches a balance.

          I made a graphic in paint because I didn’t have any crayons for you.

          Feel free to replace Total Universal Resources, for “Human health” when dealing with cancer. Works as is for capitalism. as it does for life. As per the point of the OP.

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            What about a straight line? Do you know anything about ecosystems? There are sustainable ecosystems, obviously not for eternity but for much longer than capitalism exists

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              obviously not for eternity

              Hence the point. They really need to boost universal education funding.

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                What is the point? The original post talks about limitless for still the universe will end at some point so it’s not eternity put “just” much longer than humans can imagine? That doesn’t change anything about the capitalism critics of the original post OP makes fun of

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                  What is the point?

                  The point is the part you’re not getting. Obviously.

                  Reductio ad absurdum, is the point.

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      So what limit does life know about time? Or will it continue for eternity?

      Also might want to look up that latin phrase, I didn’t put it there because it sounded like a fancy spell, it’s a legitimate train of philosophical thought that you obviously have no comprehension of.

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        You know the difference between existing and growing, do you? You can continue to exist for eternity without growing. A stone doesn’t grow, neither does a forest necessarily even though the trees do until they die. So each tree grows but not for eternity, and the forest doesn’t grow but exists (potentially) for eternity. Capitalism would want the tree to grow eternity.

        This is a simplification, so is the original post. You can disagree with it and with me, but don’t call me illiterate. I try to keep calm and civil but if you don’t understand my points, maybe you are stupid not me.

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          You can continue to exist for eternity without growing.

          Object can, life can’t. Life is the subject matter.

          A stone doesn’t grow, neither does a forest necessarily even though the trees do until they die. So each tree grows but not for eternity, and the forest doesn’t grow but exists (potentially) for eternity.

          Yes.

          Capitalism would want the tree to grow eternity.

          No. Capitalism wants to grow from the limited resources of the tree for eternity.

          Just like cancer wants to grow from the limited resources in your body for eternity.

          Just like life wants to grow from the universes limited resources until eternity.

          All inevitably unsustainable.

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            Just like life wants to grow from the universes limited resources until eternity.

            That’s not the same since life stops growing at some point like I stop trying to explain simple facts to you at this point. I rather read a book than discuss with trolls. But like capitalism, I should have stopped earlier.

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              Yes, life stops growing when the resources run out. Just like capitalism, just like cancer.

              The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, second best time is now. Go plant the seeds of a better education. Have a good life.

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                I say it one more time: capitalist models expect limitless growth. That’s the problem since there is no limitless growth. It is this discrepancy of expectation and reality that makes capitalism so destructive.

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                    So you agree that we need an economic and social system that doesn’t? Your pedantry that life isn’t eternal is way beyond the point since for all intents and purposes, it is as good as eternal