• evranch@lemmy.ca
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    8 months ago

    As an electrician “unskilled labour” does exist. It’s effectively the classification for anyone who can be trained in under a day and is thus replaceable. Unlike “skilled trades” who can take years of training and are not immediately replaceable.

    These jobs are essential on site but their inherent replaceability keeps wages rock bottom due to competition at the bottom of the pay scale.

    Examples are the “gopher” who fetches material, holds ladders, passes tools etc. Usually a young guy. Often this job only exists if there are no apprentices around, and is your foot in the door for apprentice if you show any initiative and aptitude.

    Then there are the “goon jobs” like wheelbarrow pushing, unloading trucks or rough shovel work. These jobs have the worst ratio of meager pay to hard work possible, and in general suck ass and should be avoided at all cost. Honestly I don’t know why anyone shows up for these, I would rather pick up cans or bum for spare change

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      8 months ago

      rock bottom wages

      Although it can probably be agreed that Australia is an outlier for low wages, noting that we need more people to fill jobs, and that is the driver behind such high wages.

      12 years ago I overheard someone who could not have been more than 20 years of age saying they wouldn’t work for less than $80/hour. That was in the middle of a mining boom when 10,000 people a week were moving west because the wages were higher than what many could obtain with a degree. School teachers, nurses etc were quitting their jobs to work in the mining sector.

      The only requirement is a white card which you can now obtain online for less than $50 and a few hours of your time.

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      8 months ago

      You seem determined to construct distinctions merely for the sake of distinctions existing.

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        8 months ago

        These distinctions come about organically though. If you work with a crew of people doing tasks that require a lot of experience to do well, like cutting metal precisely, you will notice quickly who has that experience and who doesn’t. Specialization of trades came about naturally as societies progressed. Not all tasks need to be so precise or require training. The issue I think with the distinction is when people are not paid enough to live for a job, when their tasks are just as essential to the completion of the project as those making much more. Many jobs that are ‘unskilled’ were also ‘essential’ during the lock down phase of the pandemic. I agree with your point that the language we use is important, by calling these ‘low’ tasks unskilled it helps excuse the unfair pay.

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          8 months ago

          The inherent attributes of certain skills, or kinds of labor, surely express natural distinctions, and their importance is supported by the quite robust tendency within society for the emergence of specialization.

          However, the deeper structures of categorization and classification, as emphasized in the particular comment, are more dubious respecting any genuine meaning or validity, and certainly may tend to confer harm to those on whom have been imposed less prestigious ranks.