• Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de
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    The guy might be a nutjob but I don’t think he’s talking about getting them back through war, Argentina has next to no military.

    Having colonies in the year 2023 is ridiculous though, I don’t know why so many comments act like Britain is in the right here in any way whatsoever.

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        [insert obama awarding obama meme here]

        I mean the UK won’t return Gilbraltar to Spain who were in the EU with them they won’t obviously return the falklands.

        I’d like to see the UK also defending the “vote of the people” if Ireland voted to leave the UK

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          return the falklands.

          To who, the French?! They’re the only ones who settled there before the British (beating them by a whopping 1 year), and they left again two years after they showed up. (And I say “settled there,” by the way, because if we went by who discovered it then the only people the British could return it to would be themselves.)

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          I mean the UK won’t return Gilbraltar to Spain who were in the EU with them they won’t obviously return the falklands.

          “Return the Falklands”

          … do you know the history of the Falklands? At all?

          I’d like to see the UK also defending the “vote of the people” if Ireland voted to leave the UK

          Ireland literally did, almost a hundred years ago. North Ireland voted to stay. There was a legally binding Scottish referendum on independence a few years back that the UK pledged to abide by. Are you shitting me?

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            You talk like it’s a done deal and recent talks about a referendum to revisit never existed.

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              I… what?

              No, I talk about it like it was literally a “vote of the people” which the UK pledged to abide by, which is what is being discussed.

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          Scotland had a vote, a legitimate one. Ireland, as in the Republic, isn’t part of the UK.

          How can the Falklands be returned? Stop talking about this as if you know anything.

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          I’d like to see the UK also defending the “vote of the people” if Ireland voted to leave the UK

          They literally did. Ireland became its own country 100 years ago. NI wanted to stay with the UK

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            Well the all island vote wasn’t the source of change, a war unfortunately had to follow.

            And point of clarification - Ireland didn’t “leave the UK” - the British were forced to withdraw from 26 of the 32 counties of Ireland.

            “NI” was carved out of the island by Britain holding on to as much industrialised land as they could, with as big a majority of British settlers vs native Irish.

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      Since when were the Falklands an example of colonialism? Nobody lived there until the Europeans showed up.

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          That’s why I was careful to choose the word “colonialism” (which is what the comment I replied to was implying) instead of just “colony.”

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            My point was the original commenter never said it was an example of colonialism.

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              The original commenter wrote:

              Having colonies in the year 2023 is ridiculous though, I don’t know why so many comments act like Britain is in the right here in any way whatsoever.

              If you can’t see how that heavily implies colonialism, I don’t know what more to tell you.

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          Okay but these days when someone says colonialism, they typically mean the colonisation of already inhabited lands and the subjugation of natives. It’s a pretty loaded word these days.

          The original commenter has slightly missed the point that there were no previous inhabitants, in my opinion.

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      If you think the Falklands should be part of Argentina, logically Hawaii should be part of Kiribati. Alaska should be Russian/Canadian, etc etc. If you think about it for more than a minute it becomes clear that geographical location is not the only factor or even the most important one.

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          You guys can take Justin Bieber and Pierre Polivre. We don’t want them. I’m sure we can find some remote shed to lock Palin away in while you look after those two.

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          Even if your bullshit wasn’t bullshit, theres another huge difference you are ignoring - the US is capable of doing something about it, Argentina is not.

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            the US is capable of doing something about it, Argentina is not.

            Well, they did try, and failed, but it was costly for both sides, so it wasn’t a hard one-sided affair.

            Besides, that’s not the point I’m trying to make, and not relevant to this discussion. The point of legal ownership by “first rights”, and not “might makes right”, is what I’m speaking towards.

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              Cool, so since Britain has held the islands longer than Argentina has existed you consider the matter settled?

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                Cool, so since Britain has held the islands longer than Argentina has existed you consider the matter settled?

                No. Think Argentina has the strongest claim based on previous ownership from Spain, and being the nearest nation to the islands.