• froggers@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I really, really hate this kind of thinking.

    Election in 2008: “Calm down, the far right only got 3%” Election in 2012: “Calm down, the far right only got 7%” Election in 2016: “Calm down, the far right only got 13%” Election in 2020: “Calm down, the far right only got 18%” And so on…

    Can you people really not see a problem with this?

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      It’s the intolerance paradox in full view. Wilders should have been convicted and jailed years ago. A tolerant society must be fiercly intolerant towards intolerance.

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        Not sure if jailing him is the right solution, but after his Moroccan speech, he should at the very least have been barred from public office, as well as participating in any political parties.

        At least that way, there is a strong deterrent to preventing politicians from spewing this kind of hate.

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        What does the parent comment have anything to do with the intolerance paradox. The population is increasingly voting far-right, it’s terrible and has nothing to do with the paradox.

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          A shift of the public opinion at that scale doesn’t occur in a vacuum. It can only happen if society as a whole tolerates increasingly intolerant messages and behaviour. Those far right rat catchers wouldn’t have much of a platform, if they weren’t tolerated, and their supporters wouldn’t be nearly as brazen if they were told off wherever they dare to publicly state their support.

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        What exactly would you jail him for though? While he is mostly spewing bullshit without coming with any real solutions, he isn’t actually doing anything ‘legally’ wrong.

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          He was tried around 2008/2009 for hate speech and discrimination. He should have been convicted then.

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            1 year ago

            There is quite a bit of a difference between genocide and some mean words about the Islam.

            Yes, words can be harmful but the holocaust is quite a bit outside that scope.

            Something that you probably understand, seeing as you came with this absolute shit strawman take.

      • froggers@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Ok, you jail him and maybe even his closest allies. What do you achieve with that?

        Imo, at best you got a bunch of people protesting out in the streets, calling it political persecution. And at worst the party’s popularity might even increase, handing them an even larger victory.

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      It really depends on your take home message.

      If it’s “shit is dire, but it could be worse and we still have a chance to fight back”, it’s one thing.

      If it’s “everything is under control go back to sleep”, it’s quite another.

      To be fair, the vibe I got from GP was more towards the latter though.

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      At the same time, people are bound to compare it to e.g. Trump, who actually got a majority. It’s good to know that our electoral system works differently, if you’re unfamiliar with it.

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        Just FYI, Trump never won a majority of votes either, although he was a lot closer than Wilders.

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          Haha yeah fair enough, he got a majority of electors (I think that’s the right term?), but not of the popular vote, which is what counts in the Netherlands - another sign of how different the electoral systems are. But yeah, the larger point is that the level of popular support is way lower.

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        1 year ago

        Or compare him to Trump whose trials are frankly far too little and far too late for their next election.

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      I see the problem with it, but it also means they have not won (yet), and you can work towards the next election to fix it.

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        If anyone knew how to work to fix it, that would be somewhat calming. Instead this just gives reason for increasing panic and feeling helpless.

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          Well, the best way to fix political issues that concern you is getting active in politics.

              • quarry_coerce248@discuss.tchncs.de
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                And then what? No party has a working concept. I don’t have one either, so how should joining a party help in any way? Then I’ll be helpless in a party.

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                  I don’t have one either

                  Well, then stop blaming politicians.

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                    I’m starting to blame you for deliberately not understanding me. I ask you what to do and you just repeat that I should do. But what?? How could I be any clearer? I’m not blaming politicians either in this thread.

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          Oh yea? I don’t see the US deal with their blatant fashism problem. One of the biggest American fashism problems actually wants to get back into the White House.