I shouldn’t need to qualify myself with this statement but I definitely still do: I am strong in favor of LGBTQ+ rights
Now my actual point: This type of divisive stuff actively contributes to the rising conservatism in our youth. We would be foolish to think the reason for the rise in conservatism is simply that the bad guys are succeeding, it is also because the good guys are actively failing.
The 150 millisecond dopamine hit from dunking on your perceived political opponents is not worth the generations-long division it contributes to.
I’m just kind of over this because clearly nobody is changing their mind on anything here. Replying to replies to my original comment has been a tremendous waste of time.
I would have had a lot more energy to discuss this if it was just you and me but having the same or similar convo like 5 times in parallel with people who are far more obstinate has totally exhausted me
The cause of the divisive stuff is not jokes like this on a t-shirt. It is the rise of misinformation and disinformation enabled by social media. It actively promotes divisive posts because it is what grabs the attention of people regardless of if it is true or accurate.
Of course. I agree with your point conservatism is rising because of divisive stuff is out competing accurate information. I am simply saying the root cause of it is social media’s algorithm and their intentional amplification of divisive stuff. A joke on a t-shirt imo can actually help combat against the rise of division because in real life people are not really divisive and will actually talk about topics in a real and reasonable manner without the divisiveness of the internet.
A joke like this a powerful way of getting people to think about how shitty religion’s takes are by simply changing who it refers to from gay to straight.
And here i thought conservatism was rising because of conservatives pretending to solve problems by either straight up ignoring them, finding scapegoats or distracting us with their „problems“ for which they also offer scapegoats. That and dunking on high-school kids with little media training for Youtube by just talking so much bullshit that debunking it becomes impossible.
Look at their tactics. They point to stuff like this and use it as supporting evidence for their replacement theory bullshit. How about we don’t give them more to point at? We gain nothing from this image but we stand to lose so fucking much if Tucker Carlson decides to put this image on screen for 10 seconds.
In this day and age, just saying “I am strong in favor of LGBTQ+ rights” might not be enough. Had a fun Facebook debate with a guy that claims the same support yet also thinks trans people should use the bathroom corresponding to their “biological sex”. He is of course a complete fucking dumbass.
That being said, ain’t no one gonna be “divided” on this that wasn’t already indoctrinated by bullshit.
Haha yeah, you don’t actually support if you go “LGB, drop the T.” Shockingly, gender criticals tend to be racist, misogynist, and homophobic. They just like to present outwardly as though they don’t, but never really succeed in pulling it off.
People forget that a lot of children aren’t politicized by their parents. They go on the internet and youtube spoonfeeds them their first political opinions. They are an empty vessel and their head gets filled with shit like “the queers want to replace us normal people” and the grifters telling them that point directly to shit like this as their supporting evidence.
Children are fucking stupid. Obviously it makes no logical sense to rational people, but social conservatism is inherently illogical.
No it’s more like not throwing shade on people who haven’t thrown shade.
If you just walk up to someone assuming their straight and give them shit for it you’re just as bad as a straight person doing the same to someone who’s gay.
Now if they were already giving a gay person shit by all means go off. The problem is people act on their emotions before figuring out the full scenario in front of them.
In general people need to stop acting on emotional impulse and wait till they actually know what’s going on
As a socialist and anti-capitalist, people who wear clothing with brands on them offend me. They are throwing shade just by wearing branded clothes. Capitalism doesn’t care because that’s the consensus reality we’ve accepted. In the same way, if this t-shirt offends someone, that’s their problem. Homophobia and discrimination should have no place in our consensus reality. To cater to the emotions of those offended is to concede acceptance of their consensus. Also, I don’t think the t-shirt is and indictment of straight people, but more of religion.
You really think me pushing back on you trying to paint me as blatantly homophobic is disingenuous pedantry?
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Cool, right? Don’t push back, that would be disingenuous pedantry.
If you wanna actually discuss then actually discuss. If you’re going to start your argument like a child then don’t be surprised when you’re treated like one.
Why do you feel entitled to a certain kind of response when you start the dialog like an asshole and continue to act like an asshole? If you go through my recent comment history you’ll see that I’m doing my best to engage and provide a thoughtful response to everyone except you. Don’t pretend I’m the problem here.
I shouldn’t need to qualify myself with this statement but I definitely still do: I am strong in favor of LGBTQ+ rights
Now my actual point: This type of divisive stuff actively contributes to the rising conservatism in our youth. We would be foolish to think the reason for the rise in conservatism is simply that the bad guys are succeeding, it is also because the good guys are actively failing.
The 150 millisecond dopamine hit from dunking on your perceived political opponents is not worth the generations-long division it contributes to.
There is literally zero evidence of this.
I have a feeling you spent zero minutes searching for evidence of this.
The burden of proof is on you, champ
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Had nothing, huh? Figures
I’m just kind of over this because clearly nobody is changing their mind on anything here. Replying to replies to my original comment has been a tremendous waste of time.
I asked you to change my mind by presenting evidence.
But fair enough, we can agree it’s run its course.
I would have had a lot more energy to discuss this if it was just you and me but having the same or similar convo like 5 times in parallel with people who are far more obstinate has totally exhausted me
The cause of the divisive stuff is not jokes like this on a t-shirt. It is the rise of misinformation and disinformation enabled by social media. It actively promotes divisive posts because it is what grabs the attention of people regardless of if it is true or accurate.
Like I said… You are giving examples of their side succeeding. I’m pointing to this as an example of our side failing. Two problems.
Of course. I agree with your point conservatism is rising because of divisive stuff is out competing accurate information. I am simply saying the root cause of it is social media’s algorithm and their intentional amplification of divisive stuff. A joke on a t-shirt imo can actually help combat against the rise of division because in real life people are not really divisive and will actually talk about topics in a real and reasonable manner without the divisiveness of the internet.
A joke like this a powerful way of getting people to think about how shitty religion’s takes are by simply changing who it refers to from gay to straight.
This isn’t a dunk, it’s a joke.
And here i thought conservatism was rising because of conservatives pretending to solve problems by either straight up ignoring them, finding scapegoats or distracting us with their „problems“ for which they also offer scapegoats. That and dunking on high-school kids with little media training for Youtube by just talking so much bullshit that debunking it becomes impossible.
Silly me.
Consider the common advice “Know your enemy”
Look at their tactics. They point to stuff like this and use it as supporting evidence for their replacement theory bullshit. How about we don’t give them more to point at? We gain nothing from this image but we stand to lose so fucking much if Tucker Carlson decides to put this image on screen for 10 seconds.
They would do that anyway by inventing an enemy, ie., “The war on Christmas.”
Literally no one thinks the message here is anything but satire mocking the idiocy if people praying the gay away.
Now I guess it’s possible that people kids don’t understand satire? Teach your kids about satire folks, or they’ll be morons.
In this day and age, just saying “I am strong in favor of LGBTQ+ rights” might not be enough. Had a fun Facebook debate with a guy that claims the same support yet also thinks trans people should use the bathroom corresponding to their “biological sex”. He is of course a complete fucking dumbass.
That being said, ain’t no one gonna be “divided” on this that wasn’t already indoctrinated by bullshit.
Haha yeah, you don’t actually support if you go “LGB, drop the T.” Shockingly, gender criticals tend to be racist, misogynist, and homophobic. They just like to present outwardly as though they don’t, but never really succeed in pulling it off.
People forget that a lot of children aren’t politicized by their parents. They go on the internet and youtube spoonfeeds them their first political opinions. They are an empty vessel and their head gets filled with shit like “the queers want to replace us normal people” and the grifters telling them that point directly to shit like this as their supporting evidence.
Children are fucking stupid. Obviously it makes no logical sense to rational people, but social conservatism is inherently illogical.
That’s tacit complicity. By not confronting the problem, you’re saying you’re okay with the behavior.
Albert Einstein
No it’s more like not throwing shade on people who haven’t thrown shade.
If you just walk up to someone assuming their straight and give them shit for it you’re just as bad as a straight person doing the same to someone who’s gay.
Now if they were already giving a gay person shit by all means go off. The problem is people act on their emotions before figuring out the full scenario in front of them.
In general people need to stop acting on emotional impulse and wait till they actually know what’s going on
As a socialist and anti-capitalist, people who wear clothing with brands on them offend me. They are throwing shade just by wearing branded clothes. Capitalism doesn’t care because that’s the consensus reality we’ve accepted. In the same way, if this t-shirt offends someone, that’s their problem. Homophobia and discrimination should have no place in our consensus reality. To cater to the emotions of those offended is to concede acceptance of their consensus. Also, I don’t think the t-shirt is and indictment of straight people, but more of religion.
I’m literally gay and this shit even makes me homophobic.
“I hate the gays because a t-shirt had a joke I don’t like”
What the fuck are you talking about?
I don’t remember typing anything like that, sooo… What the fuck are you talking about?
Don’t put quotes on something that isn’t a quote. It makes you seem dishonest.
My point, you disingenuous pedant, is how is this satirical t-shirt going to lead to kids becoming more conservative?
You really think me pushing back on you trying to paint me as blatantly homophobic is disingenuous pedantry?
“I love genocide” -PM_me_your_vagina_thanks, 2023
Cool, right? Don’t push back, that would be disingenuous pedantry.
If you wanna actually discuss then actually discuss. If you’re going to start your argument like a child then don’t be surprised when you’re treated like one.
lmfao, sure thing, dipshit. Nice avoiding the topic at hand.
Why do you feel entitled to a certain kind of response when you start the dialog like an asshole and continue to act like an asshole? If you go through my recent comment history you’ll see that I’m doing my best to engage and provide a thoughtful response to everyone except you. Don’t pretend I’m the problem here.
Still avoiding giving any kind of answer lmao
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That’s exactly what someone who supports genocide would say.