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    They will grow up but it will be a much different world. Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right. Instead of fixing problems, oil and gas companies are doubling down on fossil fuel extraction. Kids will grow up to have all kinds of respiratory illnesses and also facing a world that is melting around them.

    Most years we’re in below 20 degree snowy weather. Today it’s 50 degrees here, it’s Dec 18th and we’ve only seen snow in our mountains, which is very rare for us in Utah. Not that I’m complaining about the heat -I love warmer weather, and I absolutely detest the sight of snow in any way, shape or form. But it is weird that we’re not even going to have snow on the ground this Christmas (we might get some rain this week).

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      Temperature translation for non-Americans:

      70°F ≈ 21.1°C
      50°F = 10°C
      20°F ≈ -6.7°C

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        Conversion for the Midwest

        70f= nice out 50f= nice out 20f= bring a hoodie. It’s nice out.

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        Here’s an easy way for disadvantaged yanks to learn Celsius:

        40C = 104F perfect hot tub temp
        30C = 86F hot day
        20C = 68F nice cool day
        10C = 50F chilly day
        0C = 32F freezing

        Commit these to memory, then it’s exactly 9F for every 5C in between. (or about 2:1)

        [da fak with the downvotes? Just refuse to learn?]

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          You give multiple references and say remember these and then do some estimations. Just subtract 30, divide by 2. 80F is approximately 25C. I’m not cooking meth here I’m arguing on the Internet.

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            Fine but I’m offering a simplified and exact conversion method that mostly only requires memorizing four numbers

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            11 months ago

            So close to downvoting… finger swiping that way… Why no other downvotes to this jerk?.. Swiping… Reading… Swiping… last sentence… “oh, I love this motherfucker”

          • Pretzilla@lemmy.world
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            The calendar thing is off though. Month first gives day context.

            I get it though - if you are brought up with D-M, you get used to parsing it on the fly.

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          [how do I get that hard return on phone keyboard?]

          End your line with two spaces.

          Like
          this,
          see?

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          Right? Who has use for a temperature scale which has 100 as the upper level of human comfort and zero as the lower end?

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            Nothing like a system based on vague shit like “human comfort” lmao

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          Learn a less common system of temperature? If I really care, I’ll use the formula.

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          This shows one of the things I don’t like about Celsius: that 10C is a fairly comfortable 50F, but then suddenly you’re at freezing only 10° lower.

          Fahrenheit is just an easier scale for everyday temps. But I will admit that 32° is dumb as a freezing point.

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            I vehemently disagree with the common American trope that Celsius is good for science but that Fahrenheit would somehow be objectively better for everyday temperatures.

            As a Celsius user, my experience is completely opposite to yours: 10C or 50F is starting to be quite cool already, bordering on cold, but you still have a whole 18 degrees F to go before freezing?! Why do you need so damn many subsivisions to describe that relatively small gap in temperature?

            Mind you, I’m also not saying that Celsius is the superior everyday temperature scale (even though in my mind it obviously is). With temperature scales it’s really about what you’re used to more so than with most other kinds of measurements.

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              I’d argue that you would definitely feel a difference in those temps between them if you were used to scale that allowed for smaller variation. 52°F for someone used to living in a cold climate can still be quite pleasant but I find at under 50°F the amount of time I can spend outside without proper bundling shortens with each couple degrees.

              It’s like knowing whether I can run out the garbage real quick without bothering with a coat at a glance. I think it does a good job of helping convey a self learned length of time of comfort better in fahrenheit without having to remember decimals which many people are too dumb to use.

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                52°F for someone used to living in a cold climate can still be quite pleasant but I find at under 50°F the amount of time I can spend outside without proper bundling shortens with each couple degrees.

                11°C for someone used to living in a cold climate can still be quite pleasant but i find at under 10°C the amount of time I can spend outside without proper bundling shortens with each degree.

                …means pretty much the exact same thing.

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              you seem to have not noticed, even in Celsius/metric countries, people cooking immediately switch to Fahrenheit, in the same way carpenters immediately switch to standard. most thermostats are in Farenheit also, simply because the celsius degrees are much larger, and i absolutely can feel the difference between 69 and 70.

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                even in Celsius/metric countries, people cooking immediately switch to Fahrenheit

                I’m not sure if you’re joking here but I’ve literally never heard of anyone doing this. Not in my country, not even in any other.

                To me this is like saying “do you know how Yanks switch to metric when they talk about kitten mitten measurements”. Like lmao what

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                  I’m Canadian. Everyone cooks and carpenters in Imperial. The British and Irish i know say the same, countries’ metric but the trades aren’t.

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                    So your examples was about countries that use imperial/mixed system already and not really about metric countries?

                    The idea that someone in Finland would switch to Fahrenheit for cooking is just bizarre. Why would anyone do that lol

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                    They probably do so because tech for that is either made for the US or made for the US.

                    Edit: to be clear, I mean Canada amd maybe other countries neighbouring the US. Makes no sense to make tech primarily for the US in Romania, for instance

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            Ok but we don’t count by 10’s. There are 9 more integers in between you can use.

            Do you notice a big temperature difference between 68F and 70? That’s one degree of C. Plenty of resolution.

            And instead of saying “in the 50’s”, you can say “in the low 10’s”

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        Bad bot. Temperature conversions for conversational threads should not manufacture extra significant figures.

        70F is 21C, and if you need more precision than that, it’s not in a Lemmy thread!

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          I’m not a bot. (Yes, I copy-pasted that response in one more place in this discussion. Still not a bot.) And as for the precision, at this point, for temperatures in the Celsius, that’s basically just a matter of opinion. I figured in the moment that one digit after the decimal point would be good. No, I did not write a long thesis comparing arguments and pros and cons for any of the options. Sorry if the result didn’t meet your exact preferences.

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            I’ve been soured by seeing too many temperature-conversion-bot posts on reddit, I suppose. I still say it’s wrong to inject fake precision for this kind of thing, though. It’s just silly – again, nobody goes around talking about the weather, saying that it’s 21.3 degrees out or that the forecast is a high of 70.4 degrees. That’s just absurd.

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              Not the one who you reply to, but that was probably in regard to “more degrees = better precision”

    • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.world
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      Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right.

      That’s amazing. She died in 1964 and still kept working.

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        Well what I’m referring to is her book “Silent Spring,” which gained national attention in the 70s. Not saying she wrote it during the 70s.

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      Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans,

      I feel ya, but try not to give in to that feeling, as it’s also the last step in the oil companie’s PR playbook; when it’s finally coming knowledge, to say "well, yes it was our fault but it’s too late to do anything about it "

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        Well it’s not a very positive outlook, but I’ve heard it from scientists more than from big oil and gas (that it’s too late to turn back these effects). I"m not saying we can’t try to mitigate these things going forward, maybe we can make huge changes by taking small steps toward cleaner energy sources.

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      I’m up in Mammoth right now and it is raining, absolutely wild for this time of year. I didn’t even bother snowboarding this trip because the slopes are more conducive to ice-skating. Caught of on a lot of sleep though, so that was nice.

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        Mammoth, that’s gotta pretty nice right now (if you don’t mind no snow). Not as cold as it usually is for this time of year. I want to go there soon, hopefully this coming summer, because it’s usually nicer up there.

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          Yeah i’ll say it’s been pretty nice weather despite the crap conditions. As of now it’s trying to turn from rain to snow, of course as we’re about to head home lol

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      I mean… This isn’t that rare in Utah? Last year was wild, but besides that, this is pretty par for course the last 5 years, and not out of the normal for the last 5 before that. Especially not having snow sticking in the Valley…

      Don’t get me wrong, I’m probably going to bail on Utah soon because how fucked this are getting with the climate/droughts/air quality… But this year isn’t some wild leap