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I’m shocked I tell you… Shocked!!!
I know right? Who would have thought centralised social media owned by surveillance capitalist billionaires could do this?
And we want to allow them to integrate with the Fediverse why, exactly?
Why it’ll make the Fediverse more popular so other big companies join them!
Because that will enable people to see and interact with the things their users post without themselves being under their control.
Because we are not censorship happy pieces of shit. We judge every statement for what it is, rather than applying guilt by association in three steps.
Most people who want to block Meta from the fediverse want to do it because they want to block people’s opinions and statements from reaching them. They want the fediverse to be a “safe space” (a term which thankfully has lost most of its momentum in the last few years) where no dissenting or nuanced opinion is welcome. Somehow you’re trying to turn Meta’s similar behavior into an argument against them, even though it’s an example of both organizations doing similar things (prohibiting unwanted opinions).
No, sane members here just don’t want to see pro-corporate horseshit, bots and Meta’s psyop motherfuckers trying to shape opinions here with their corporate agenda like they already do on their own platform. If users themselves want to attempt this sort of thing, that’s on them and we can deal with that. Meta is guilty preemptively, and we should not treat them as if they aren’t. This is just yet more proof. The fact that Meta does this is not an “opinion.” It’s a fact. The type of agenda they’re pushing, whoever they’re pro or against is irrelevant. It’s the attempt to push that matters.
And we already ban tons of content here. Try posting some pro-Nazi stuff, for instance, and see what happens. There are a whole host of actions and topics that are explicitly prohibited just in the lemmy.world ToS. Trying to claim that there’s no censorship on this instance or in the Fediverse as a whole is such a monumentally stupid fucking statement that no one can take anything else you said seriously.
Go shill for your megacorporation somewhere else.
I am not claiming that there’s no censorship in the fediverse. I’m claiming that there is censorship, meaning that the fact that Meta also uses censorship is no argument against them. You censor people you call nazis, they censor people who think three generations of occupation in Palestine is a bad thing. Both have problems. This piece of news about Meta censorship is not an argument against federation.
both sides
the organization documented and reviewed more than a thousand reported instances of Meta removing content and suspending or permanently banning accounts on Facebook and Instagram.
Does 1000 seem small for an intentional, global, censorship campaign? That seems very small to me. That seems like a rounding error on a days worth of reported posts.
What percent of facebook users would document their content and report their removal to HRW? 1000 reporting to HRW because their comments got removed from facebook seems funny. I certainly wouldn’t think to report technology@lemmy.world’s mods to a human rights organization if they removed this comment or banned me for posting something pro-palestine on another community.
Most of this entire report is patently ridiculous. They asked people who follow HRW’s social media to please send them instances of censorship on social media, get about 1,500 random examples from a self-selecting population, then publish a big expose about it.
There’s no intensive comparative analysis (statistical or otherwise) to other topics discussed, other viewpoints discussed, or at other times in the past. They allege, for example, that some people didn’t have an option to request a review of the takedown- is that standard policy? Does it happen in other cases? Is it a bug? They don’t seem to want to look into it further, they just allude to some sense of nebulous wrongdoing then move on to the next assertion. Rinse and repeat.
The one part of the report actually grounded in reality (and a discussion that should be had) is how to handle content that runs afoul of standards against positive portrayal of terrorist organizations with political wings like the PFLP and Hamas. It’s an interesting challenge on where to draw the line on what to allow- but cherry picking a couple thousand taken down posts doesn’t make that discussion any more productive in any way.
It’s not enough to prove a pattern of behavior, but it’s enough to call out as a disturbing trend.
Is it? We’d need to know a lot more about how often this happens to other random groups to determine that.
Those are just the documented ones. They don’t exactly have access to meta’s modlogs
Indeed. It would be interesting to run the same analysis for censorship of pro Israel content and compare the differences between the two, though the data would likely still be noisy and inconclusive.
Boycott Meta.
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It’s hard to claim either way - for example my bubble is also mostly pro-palestinian. Suspiciously missing pro-isreaeli side actually.
But that doesn’t mean it’s what the algorithm serves on average. No one outside some teams in Meta actually knows, any outside attempt to analyze it would expose you to the same bubble-creating mechanism
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Meta has engaged in a “systemic and global” censorship of pro-Palestinian content since the outbreak of the Israel-Gaza war on 7 October, according to a new report from Human Rights Watch (HRW).
The company exhibited “six key patterns of undue censorship” of content in support of Palestine and Palestinians, including the taking down of posts, stories and comments; disabling accounts; restricting users’ ability to interact with others’ posts; and “shadow banning”, where the visibility and reach of a person’s material is significantly reduced, according to HRW.
Examples it cites include content originating from more than 60 countries, mostly in English, and all in “peaceful support of Palestine, expressed in diverse ways”.
In a statement to the Guardian, Meta acknowledged it makes errors that are “frustrating” for people, but said that “the implication that we deliberately and systemically suppress a particular voice is false.
Meta said it was the only company in the world to have publicly released human rights due diligence on issues related to Israel and Palestine .
Last week Elizabeth Warren, Democratic senator for Massachusetts, wrote to Meta’s co-founder and chief executive officer, Mark Zuckerberg, demanding information following hundreds of reports from Instagram users dating back to October that their content was demoted or removed, and their accounts subjected to shadow banning.
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Internet before mid-2010s: The Internet is breaking down barriers of nations, enabling everyone to freely communicate with each other, even outright plan uprisings against authorities (Arab Spring)! There are hardly any limits to what we can discuss, if you have an idea, you can publish it right now and maybe change the world with it!
Internet now: Social media companies make sure, through their algorithms and moderation decisions, that the Overton window is exactly where they decide, nowhere else. They are under constant and evolving pressure to censor more of this, censor less of that, with no end in sight to not getting it “right” in someone’s opinion.
I hope the fediverse succeeds in maybe restoring the old vision of the Internet.
Makes sense. I removed on FB from time to time and most of my posts get 20-30 engagements from close friends.
Anything pro-Palestine gets maybe 1, at best.
