But not all hydrogen is created equally.

Amazon thinks hydrogen can be a more sustainable fuel for vehicles at its warehouses, but it’ll have to clean up hydrogen production first.

  • blackfire@lemmy.worldEnglish
    15·
    11 months ago

    If the electrolyzer is using green electricity it will be good but it doesn’t say if they are setting up the wind or solar plants to source that power. If they are using line power then its only 40% likely to be green energy produced.

    • AdamEatsAss@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      11 months ago

      The article says the current plan is to use line power…so not perfect. But if it’s more efficient then charging dc batteries it could be worth it, plus the grid could always change. Waste wise you wouldn’t have to throw out any lead acid or lithium ion batteries when they finally die, which is an environmental win. Not sure if this is for only new facilities or not but if you do have to buy all new equipment and scrap all your old stuff that is an environmental loss.

      • LordKitsuna@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        11 months ago

        It’s not even is the same ballpark as dc batteries. Charging a battery is 93-97% efficient as is the use of that power so overall efficiency stays above 90%. Hydrogen average 40-60% overall efficiency. It ONLY makes sense when using 100% renewable.

        Especially in situations where it’s otherwise wasted. California has been curtailing massive amounts of solar each year, dumping the extra into hydrogen would be amazing

        • xenspidey@lemmy.zipEnglish
          11·
          11 months ago

          That’s where nuclear can shine as well, make hydrogen during off-peak hours

            • xenspidey@lemmy.zipEnglish
              1·
              11 months ago

              So when there’s not a lot of sun and wind? Nuclear HAS to be a big part of our energy future if people are actually serious about 100% fossil free energy

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                1·
                11 months ago

                I’m not saying it shouldn’t, I’m saying for a hydrogen plant for warehouses, renewables are absolutely fine. We’re not solving all the electrical needs of the warehouse here, only the vehicles.

                So renewables can refill the tanks, and hydrogen can power the vehicles. As long as there’s enough wind and sun on average to keep the tanks full enough, it’ll work.

              • JoBoEnglish
                1·
                11 months ago

                It makes no sense to convert nuclear power into hydrogen, it’s massively inefficient. (Green) hydrogen is of interest precisely because sun and wind availability varies. It’s a good way to store the excess when an excess is inevitable.

                It clearly does make sense to make the most of existing nuclear capacity , it does not make sense to build more nuclear. It costs billions and takes decades to come online, the same billions spent on solar and wind starts producing power immediately.