Looks like a couple of white supremacists from here would feel more at home there though (hey lurkers - from kbin we can see you upvoting the racist blowing their dog whistle, you can’t hide)…
I think you have misunderstood? Or have I missed a joke?
Either way - I’m on kbin, where votes are transparent, so I can see who the people that are staying quiet but upvoting racists are, and am letting them know it (and blocking them while I’m at it). I hope that clears things up?
In a vacuum, saying “it’s okay to be white” is fine.
Statements are never made in a vacuum, they’re made within society. They’re thus accompanied by context and realities, a ton of little nuances which all affect meaning.
In society, posting (or agreeing with someone posting) “it’s okay to be white” repeated multiple times is racist.
As per your last paragraph, who says we can only deal with one source of racism at a time? How does calling out racist dogwhistles negatively impact Jewish people or residents of Gaza?
But living life with the presupposition that everyone has full context is ridiculous. Someone who throws up the “OK” hand sign being confronted as a racist is as absurd as saying someone who agrees with those statements is as well. Not everyone has the same wealth of knowledge and to assume people are doing it as a dog whistle or out of malice is as harmful to the people fighting Nazis because to the layman they look like over sensitive kids hunting for problems where none exist.
‘Quiet racism’ is ambiguous, cascading grays that need a wealth of context to address properly. Why focus energy into needles in a haystack when there is a needle factory right next door? We have ‘Loud racism’ right there. We should prioritize it.
It’s social media. People really like to hit the “fuck you” button and not discuss anything.
You have to put yourself in their position though. If they commented anything and didn’t just casually dismiss, that would mean they’d have to think. Thinking is hard. Don’t do that to them.
Edit: They also really hate having the above pointed out, but never argue with it.
There’s one problem, some people conflate humanitarian sentiment for Palestinians as antisemitism. Is that part of what you’re calling racist? I haven’t seen racism on lemmy.world at least, so I am confused. Edit: nvm, I recall some racism now in a political thread.
The problem is you’re so concerned with racism you’re willing to go the complete opposite direction. The type of person to say “black people can’t be racist to white people!” while saying the most racist shit possible. The type to be so overly concerned with the outcome you’ve boxed in your definitions so you can feel like a hero to the oppressed when in reality you’re just changing which class of people get oppressed. The Jews feel like they can’t possibly be as bad as the Nazis because they were victims as they now slaughter children taking shelter in hospitals.
I used them as a ‘debate tool’ to illustrate how an oppressed class can become the oppressors and you still let it soar over your head.
Yeah I’m trying to get you to self reflect but you’re right, it’s a ridiculous notion. Hey there’s still a Target you can go burn down for attention, better get on it.
Did you want to expand on that or just keep me guessing?
Oh good, you expanded on it.
Ahhh the “white people aren’t a race” okay, black people aren’t a race then. Doesn’t make a whole lot of fucking sense does it? Breaking down definitions so you can build them back up to suit you is exactly what the ‘anti-racists’ do and it’s so god damn extra. Racism has absolutely nothing to do with power, oppression, none of that. I know, shocking. Racism is treating any race as inferior (regardless of their perceived power!) and you seem very strongly aligned with the dipshits who think you can shit on white people for being white and it not be racism because of some bullshit power dynamic you tack onto the end of the definition.
To be clear, white people were the first slaves. To be clear, Egypt even did it long after. The racism against black people is only the most recent. Not even the longest or the most brutal and your insistence to make it the biggest fucking deal to everyone around you is exhausting and plays counter to your entire side. You create the people you rally against because you go from “freeing the oppressed” to becoming the oppressors. You’ve gone from sticking up for people who couldn’t do it themselves to burning down buildings and blaming white people for not listening. You’re delusional and have become the thing you claim to be fighting against.
Fuck off and have the slightest bit of self reflection.
Looks like a couple of white supremacists from here would feel more at home there though (hey lurkers - from kbin we can see you upvoting the racist blowing their dog whistle, you can’t hide)…
…you can see me upvoting furry porn?
Fuck
“Whistle” is a pretty weird name for a dogsona tbh…
You’re wild af for this. 😂😂
Oh… Oh no.
Wait, what? Since when is Kbin racist?
I think you have misunderstood? Or have I missed a joke?
Either way - I’m on kbin, where votes are transparent, so I can see who the people that are staying quiet but upvoting racists are, and am letting them know it (and blocking them while I’m at it). I hope that clears things up?
Aah, yeah I definitely misunderstood. Phew!
Ha, no worries. :)
Thanks for explaining!
Off the subject, but is there a good kbin mobile app?
Okay you misunderstood. To explain. EVERY action on federated services is public and viewable on KBin. Your upvote, downvotes, etc.
That means we can see racists while (we) are using KBin
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Phew, I was about to be really disappointed because I like Kbin’s interface a lot.
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In a vacuum, saying “it’s okay to be white” is fine.
Statements are never made in a vacuum, they’re made within society. They’re thus accompanied by context and realities, a ton of little nuances which all affect meaning.
In society, posting (or agreeing with someone posting) “it’s okay to be white” repeated multiple times is racist.
As per your last paragraph, who says we can only deal with one source of racism at a time? How does calling out racist dogwhistles negatively impact Jewish people or residents of Gaza?
But living life with the presupposition that everyone has full context is ridiculous. Someone who throws up the “OK” hand sign being confronted as a racist is as absurd as saying someone who agrees with those statements is as well. Not everyone has the same wealth of knowledge and to assume people are doing it as a dog whistle or out of malice is as harmful to the people fighting Nazis because to the layman they look like over sensitive kids hunting for problems where none exist.
‘Quiet racism’ is ambiguous, cascading grays that need a wealth of context to address properly. Why focus energy into needles in a haystack when there is a needle factory right next door? We have ‘Loud racism’ right there. We should prioritize it.
Making up shit that never happens to illustrate a point is not convincing
What’s up with people not explaining their point? Which part, boss?
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It’s social media. People really like to hit the “fuck you” button and not discuss anything.
You have to put yourself in their position though. If they commented anything and didn’t just casually dismiss, that would mean they’d have to think. Thinking is hard. Don’t do that to them.
Edit: They also really hate having the above pointed out, but never argue with it.
I’m calling people racists for being racists.
The fact that you care more about being called a racist than the actual racism being discussed says it all.
Trying to shift the discussion to people you probably don’t give two shits about beyond using them as a debate tool does too.
At the end of the day, if being called a racist bothers you that much, just stop being one.
There’s one problem, some people conflate humanitarian sentiment for Palestinians as antisemitism. Is that part of what you’re calling racist? I haven’t seen racism on lemmy.world at least, so I am confused. Edit: nvm, I recall some racism now in a political thread.
The problem is you’re so concerned with racism you’re willing to go the complete opposite direction. The type of person to say “black people can’t be racist to white people!” while saying the most racist shit possible. The type to be so overly concerned with the outcome you’ve boxed in your definitions so you can feel like a hero to the oppressed when in reality you’re just changing which class of people get oppressed. The Jews feel like they can’t possibly be as bad as the Nazis because they were victims as they now slaughter children taking shelter in hospitals.
I used them as a ‘debate tool’ to illustrate how an oppressed class can become the oppressors and you still let it soar over your head.
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Yeah I’m trying to get you to self reflect but you’re right, it’s a ridiculous notion. Hey there’s still a Target you can go burn down for attention, better get on it.
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Your username is very apt.
Did you want to expand on that or just keep me guessing?
Oh good, you expanded on it.
Ahhh the “white people aren’t a race” okay, black people aren’t a race then. Doesn’t make a whole lot of fucking sense does it? Breaking down definitions so you can build them back up to suit you is exactly what the ‘anti-racists’ do and it’s so god damn extra. Racism has absolutely nothing to do with power, oppression, none of that. I know, shocking. Racism is treating any race as inferior (regardless of their perceived power!) and you seem very strongly aligned with the dipshits who think you can shit on white people for being white and it not be racism because of some bullshit power dynamic you tack onto the end of the definition.
To be clear, white people were the first slaves. To be clear, Egypt even did it long after. The racism against black people is only the most recent. Not even the longest or the most brutal and your insistence to make it the biggest fucking deal to everyone around you is exhausting and plays counter to your entire side. You create the people you rally against because you go from “freeing the oppressed” to becoming the oppressors. You’ve gone from sticking up for people who couldn’t do it themselves to burning down buildings and blaming white people for not listening. You’re delusional and have become the thing you claim to be fighting against.
Fuck off and have the slightest bit of self reflection.
Not one educated person sees your plausible deniability and says “they got me. I can’t touch them!”
You’re right, because it’s shoot first and if we feel like it we can ask questions! They looked like a nazi after all, that’s their fault.
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