Trump threatened it would be “very dangerous” if he were jailed over the new charges he’s likely facing, citing the “passion” of his fan base.

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      It won’t even if he does. Trump isn’t the cause, he’s a symptom. The US is probably not going to survive as a unified nation for very long, and honestly, it probably shouldn’t.

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        Making the United States a union of sovereign territories instead of a country with a powerful federal government sounds like a familiar idea.

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            You mean the ones that are also headed towards total societal collapse within the next decade? Yeah, I’m sure they’ll totally have plenty of resources to spare for a trans-pacific invasion when they can’t grow any crops.

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          Who said anything about that? This country should be split up entirely. It’s already completely unable to function by any reasonable standards, and for decades the harm it’s caused its own people and the world at large has been increasingly outweighing any good it does. Empires are always negative forces and should always be dismantled.

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            How would you split the country? There are heavily blue areas in red states and heavily red areas in blue states.

            Or do you just want chaos?

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              I don’t have the solution, I just have the basic sense to see that what this country is is entirely unsustainable.

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                Your solution ignores that all we really need to do (and I say that like it’s easy but I acknowledge it’s not) is remove the parts of our system that prevent an accurately representative government. Stuff like the electoral college, the cap on House seats, and the dominance of plurality voting. The root problem we see here is that a minority of people have more power over the government than the majority of people.

                Like I said, this is much easier typed out than done, but it is not impossible, and is much more likely to succeed than “make a fascist country and give it a humongous border with the democratic country that it views as ‘the enemy’” Even if there were a clean way to split it up (there isn’t: cities are blue, rural areas are red), much of the red state’s income comes from the federal taxes from blue states. Do you really think that’s going to end well?

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            This country should be split up entirely. It’s already completely unable to function by any reasonable standards, and for decades the harm it’s caused its own people

            Weird that you start talking about Russia all of a sudden.

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            The person I replied to did:

            The US is probably not going to survive as a unified nation for very long, and honestly, it probably shouldn’t.

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        When you have an illness you still treat the symptoms while you address the cause so the symptoms don’t make things worse.

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        Splitting the US like that would be absolute chaos and probably result in several civil wars. This would also destroy all federal aid programs and I can guarantee no states are going to step in to fill that void. Dividing the country further than it already is will not solve anything.

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          No one said balkanization was a good thing. Just that it happens, and is currently happening, being driven by multi-billion dollar media corporations trying to inflame a culture war to keep the lower classes occupied. They were too successful, and the wheels are starting to come off.

          We might be able to fix it, but the current trajectory is pretty clear.

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          This country is going to implode one way or another. We can try to have it happen in a kinda sorta controlled way, or we can do your idea of sticking our fingers in our ears and just let the pressure build until it breaks in the most destructive way possible.

          It’s going to hurt no matter what. Trying to avoid the pain will only end in worse pain.

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            This country is going to implode one way or another.

            Then it is a good thing America is the most successful country in the entire world, Ivan. So that we don’t have to worry about Russia’s imminent implosion. I guess that is why Russians are fleeing their country in droves.

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              The Roman empire was still the most successful empire in the world at the time it collapsed. So was the British empire. And the Spanish empire. And the Mongol empire. And the Abassid Caliphate. Should I go on, or do you get the fucking point yet?

              Yeah, Russia is one of the worst, most worthless shitholes in the world, far worse than the US. That doesn’t nullify the situation the US is in, nor the sitiation it’s headed towards. This country cannot and will not survive the already inevitable famines of the 2030’s.

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                The Roman empire was still the most successful empire in the world at the time it collapsed.

                Nope. Constantople was a tiny city state in 1453. Italy was controlled by barbiarians in 476. Also, the Roman Empire lasted 2000 years. None of those empires were anywhere near the “most successful” when they collapse.

                This country cannot and will not survive the already inevitable famines of the 2030’s.

                LOL. So Russia is not going to survive another 10 years even? Wow, I suspected as much, Ivan. Good thing my country is the most successful country in the world. We’ll try to help you guys over there after Putin in put in prison.

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                  Ivan

                  Fuck off, jackass. Being anti-American doesn’t mean pro-Russian, and anyone with even a single brain cell rattling around in their skull knows they’re both trash.

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                    Damn your huge envy of Americans for creating the most successful country in the world has caused you some serious personal issues. Nobody ever thought you were American like you kept pretending to be, because everything you posted sounded like obvious cringy propaganda to actual Americans LMFAO. You stay in your country of Bumfuckistan or Russia, and work on your huge personal jealousy issues that made you try to impersonate one of us. While our country is busy being the leader of the Free World.

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        He is a cause and a symptom. Trying, convicting, and imprisoning his would go a long way, but would not stop the problem from growing.

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          We’re better off with systemic incentives in place to dissuade the next person considering Trump-like criminal behaviors.