A federal judge threatened to kick Donald Trump out of court Wednesday after the former president made repeated comments within earshot of the jury hearing a civil defamation trial against him.

Trump muttered that the case is a “witch hunt,” among other similar comments, according to a lawyer for the writer E. Jean Carroll, who is suing Trump over derogatory comments he made about her while he was president.

The episode prompted a stern rebuke from U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan, who repeatedly tussled with Trump and his lawyers during a testy courtroom session Wednesday morning.

“Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. That right can be forfeited, and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive, which is what has been reported to me,” the judge said.

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    He just seems like the kind of guy who’s never been punched in the face but really needs to be.

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            I’m still waiting for someone to ask for an explanation and someone (possibly else) to provide one.

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              • Cannon - A big ass gun
              • Canon - A camera brand

              With those two pieces I’m sure it will click for you ;)

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                Thanks, but theae were references even I understood immediately. I’m struggling with the connection between lunch meat and film developing.

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                  The first poster suggested shooting bologna out of a cannon, but spelled it like a camera. The second poster then noted that when he put meat into his camera, it developed a film. Like when you leave meat out it may grow a film of biological yuck, but with a masterful pun attached due it being a comment about a camera.

                  Thanks folks. I’ll be here ruining jokes by explaining them all day! Don’t forget to tip your waitstaff!

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          This is that joke you’re so proud of, but then you tell people IRL about it and they just look at you and say “OK? Hah?” But you know in your gut it is perfect.

          We see your perfection, and thank you for it.

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      Puscifer - The Remedy

      You speak like someone who has never been / Smacked in the fucking mouth / That’s okay, we have the remedy

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      I volunteer as tribute!

      (Obviously, this is a joke-response. I’m not actually volunteering or advocating violence.)

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    So it’s cool if we fuck around in court? Contempt isn’t a thing anymore?

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      Federal judges (should) have a lot more decorum and patience. Actually all judges should have, but the US also popularized the mini dictators that dole out ridiculous punishments for “misbehaving”.

      People in court are not there because they bought tickets to the venue for their own enjoyment.

      While I agree Trump should also have some decorum, he is effectively rich trailer trash. The judge treats him as such and in my book that makes the judge an icon.

      The judge is above his petty nonsense but does take the time to make trump feel he is not in charge every time he steps out. And I think this is far worse for Trump’s feelings than being stuck in a holding cell, that would just fuel his martyr syndrome.

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        Yeah, somewhat wealthy former president, he’s probably thinking, “Why would I need to control myself?”

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    While “former president” is a correct title, the media should really use “petulant man-child” instead. Far more accurate .

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      It’s more that the judges will play by the rules so super hard that Trump can never appeal on the basis of unfair treatment. The consequence is really that the trials continue on as if he had never spoken, proving that his crying and hand waving have no real effect.

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      Yep. What motivation does he have for exercising control? Will they give him a fine that’s like pocket lint to him again?

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      It’s win/win for him. Either he shows how he can’t be controlled which riles up his supporters, or he can turn consequences around as evidence of the “corrupt Biden deep state” or something and get massive fundraising income and maybe convince some of his followers to launch terrorist attacks. This judge is having to weigh possible domestic terror retaliation against keeping his courtroom orderly.

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    This lawless former president is a disgusting degenerate just like his cult followers.

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    Aaaand that’s why two of his lawyers withdrew only shortly before the trial one even just the day before. They realised how unhinged he is and that there was no way to stop him, so they left the sinking ship.

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      He wants to be kicked out. His antics are meant to force it.

      This way he can go keep that martyred persecution complex working for him. Evangelicals love them a martyr,

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        That’s why it’s important for them to put him in a holding cell instead of letting him pontificate to the media on the courthouse steps.

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          Well, that and the whole the fucker incited an insurrection, and has promised to do it again,

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            No, that’s why it’s important to put him in a prison cell (or, you know, do what the Constitution actually prescribes as the penalty for treason), which is a bit of a separate issue. Really what needs to happen is first one, then the other.

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              jail, until the due process works out to a conviction, then prison while waiting for a more permanent solution?

              I don’t normally go in for capital punishment- it’s barbaric. but, eh, there are exceptions.

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          On the other hand, discount Hitler would like nothing better than to publish a ghost-written manifesto from jail

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    “I do not recognize the authority of a court that hangs the gilded flag. A flag with gilded edges signifies an admiralty court, an admiralty court signifies that this is a court martial. I can not be court martialed twice. Further more…”

    “Bailiff, gag that man.”

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      The fact that Dale Gribble, would be the most intelligent and sane person on the new right wing conspiracy populations is as hilarious as it is terrifying.

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    Honestly I don’t think Trump should be kicked out of court. I say let him ruin his case and insult the judge until he’s found guilty for contempt of court as well.

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      He’s already well past what would be considered contempt of court for literally any other living human being. They’re giving him as much rope as is possible for two reasons, one being so that absolutely no one can argue a mistrial, and the second being that he continues to attempt to hang himself with every length of rope let out to him. May as well let him continue.

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        so that absolutely no one can argue a mistrial

        This is the part that people keep missing. Judges go into “Super Professional Mode” when these things happen and run their court so by the book that it’s impossible for anyone to complain bias/unfair treatment.

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          I dont think the people who, and I say this with certainty, WILL compmain its unfair care at all. Even the ones with political power will spin it and have half the country believing that the most lieniant judges of all time are what ‘anti conservative bias’ looks like. It’s like moving the overton window on justice. Republicans after this will believe unless the judge lets a republican defendent sit in their lap and bang the gavel dismissing their own case it is bias. And that’s going to linger every time you try and punish law breakers who they like. Those people make it on juries and when they dont they use bomb threats.

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    Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. That right can be forfeited, and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive…

    Doesn’t that make it a privilege?

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      Exactly. A right shouldn’t be able to be revoked, otherwise by definition it’s not a right.

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        You’re confusing the word revoked with the word forfeited. He’s forfeiting it by disrupting the court. It’s like the right to remain silent when you’re arrested. The officer arresting you can’t revoke it and make you answer or say anything, but you can choose to forfeit it and start talking.

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        Then you have no rights. All freedoms granted you can be taken away for committing the right crime.

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          Sure, that’s true, that’s why there are different types of rights, look up natural rights versus things like inalienable rights. At the end of the day all rights are just ideas and concepts, but still, I think calling it a right and threatening to take it away in the context of his trial is no bueno

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            Natural rights are those that are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government, and so are universal, fundamental and inalienable (they cannot be repealed by human laws, though one can forfeit their enjoyment through one’s actions, such as by violating someone else’s rights).

            Myself, I’m more with Jeremy Bentham and George Carlin in this:

            Rights don’t exist, there is no such thing as a natural or inalienable right. Rights are flimsy fantasies, they are nothing but societal agreements, contracts to treat with each other on a common set of core-values. Which makes it all the more important that we defend these rights and enforce those social contracts.

            And with those rights come the duties to respect those of others, like the right of the litigant to not have their trial disrupted.

            Edit: Marking the quote.