When Aaliyah Iglesias was caught vaping at a Texas high school, she didn’t realize how much could be taken from her.

Suddenly, the rest of her high school experience was threatened: being student council president, her role as debate team captain and walking at graduation. Even her college scholarships were at risk. She was sent to the district’s alternative school for 30 days and told she could have faced criminal charges.

Like thousands of other students around the country, she was caught by surveillance equipment that schools have installed to crack down on electronic cigarettes, often without informing students.

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    So in order to protect the kids…we’re going to put their future prospects in jeopardy with heavy handed zero tolerance policy bs? Throw the fucking vape away and move along jfc

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      Right. The amount of damage they do to “prevent damage” here is outstanding. Additionally, wouldn’t that money be better spent hiring more teachers?

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    Schools like this need to be shut down. Let kids vape and figure things out themselves. If they’re smart enough for college, good let them go.

    You’re only teaching them they can’t trust higher ups and government type people.

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    Educational institutions deciding to actively police students just 'cause is a load of BS.

    Who died and made them king over children?

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    I can kind of see why there’s a purpose for punishing cigarette usage at schools. I don’t think vaping is harmless, but it’s not like vaping in the bathroom is causing an uncleanable mess or contributing to second hand smoke… I see why vaping is banned in schools but just like throw her vape away and stop there.

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    During the pandemic, HALO noted on its website that monitoring indoor air quality was an approved use for federal COVID relief money.

    A leading provider, HALO Smart Sensors, sells 90% to 95% of its sensors to schools. The sensors don’t have cameras or record audio but can detect increases in noise in a school bathroom and send a text alert to school officials, said Rick Cadiz, vice president of sales and marketing for IPVideo, the maker of the HALO sensors.

    The sensors are marketed primarily for detecting vape smoke or THC but also can monitor for sounds such as gunshots or keywords indicating possible bullying.

    I don’t know that I’d trust a non-microphone sensor to be good enough to actually identify keywords, but you could probably tell if people were yelling or something.

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      My highschool friends and I would have relished the opportunity to fuck with administration acting on input from devices like this. Hack the planet.

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    Man. We had Rambo knives at school when I was a kid. Compass fishing line ect… played splitsies during recess. Being a kid sucks now

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      I couldn’t even count the number of times I rode in the back of a pickup truck when I was a kid. You know who else can’t count it? All the kids who died from doing that and didn’t grow up to comment on the internet how everything is too safe these days. This is the essence of survivor bias.

      Plus you know not having universal healthcare means any injury could be a financial deathblow. Which is why we get stories in the news about people having to sue their own families.

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    I work in a public school, and vaping is a big problem. I don’t know what is in the vapes, but when the students come back from the bathroom their eyes are red with dilated pupils, they can barely talk, and they fall asleep at their desk within ten minutes. It makes me nervous how lightly the kids take it.

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    So, if the point of this story is schools are spending money they received for COVID-19 on vape detectors/surveillance , then they should focus on that, and the misuse of those funds. That seems like a story that should have follow up.

    If they’re trying to make me feel bad because Aaliyah got in trouble for doing something the school has a zero tolerance policy for, that’s probably not going to happen. By high school you should have a pretty good grasp on how rules work. The story seems to really focus on this kid being punished for doing something she was not supposed to be doing. I am not going to comment on whether the punishment fit the crime, there’s not enough detail about that in the story.

    I have a 13yo, and I do not want them picking up or being around smoking/vaping at all. I’m OK if the school has both a zero tolerance policy for vaping with progressively harsher consequences for 2nd, 3rd offenses. I’m quite OK if smoking/vaping is kept far away from school grounds.

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      By high school you should have a pretty good grasp on how rules work

      By high school you should also have a pretty good grasp on how the punishment should fit the crime and how zero tolerance policies go way fucking overboard.

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        That was part of the problem with the story. How many times had this person been caught? The story doesn’t include that info. Kids push back, so the consequences need to be such that they are harsh enough to deter, without obviously ruining their lives. Seems that Ailiyah still got her scholarship, and that it mostly impacted her being able to participate in extracurricular activities in school

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          That was part of the problem with the story. How many times had this person been caught?

          Considering she was already student council president and captain of a debate team and legal minimum punishments were enacted, I would guess first time.

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            Ya, so this is apnews… If they’re going to talk about these consequences and how she was impacted the reader shouldn’t have to guess about details that matter.

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              Okay, so how many times do you think a student has to be caught vaping for even half of these things to be justified?

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                My comment was about how in my opinion apnews did a pretty poor job with that story overall. I’m not a school administer so I have no desire to try to work out what appropriate high school punishments for various instances of breaking rules should be. I stand by my original comment on that subject.

                “I am not going to comment on whether the punishment fit the crime, there’s not enough detail about that in the story.”

                Edit: I will say this, The consequences must not have been harsh enough to stop her from going into the bathroom and vaping. And if they weren’t, how bad do you have to make the punishment before her, an apparently smart kid, stop breaking the zero tolerance rule?