Justin Mohn, a 32-year-old Pennsylvania man, is in police custody after allegedly murdering and decapitating his father, claiming the latter was a “federal employee” and a “traitor.” Before his arrest, Mohn posted a 14-minute video to YouTube in which he displayed his father’s severed head, proclaiming: "This is the head of Mike Mohn, a federal

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    Republicans are literally CUTTING OFF PEOPLE’S HEADS because of Ideological Disagreements but they are NOT Terrorists! ISIS are Terrorists because THEY cut off people’s heads because of Ideological Disagreements!

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      Not even just people…his own dad. Who seems to have worked hard to give this douchebag what he has in life. And all it took was the scum fanning the flames of his hatred for ad money and airtime.

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      Republicans are literally CUTTING OFF PEOPLE’S HEADS because of Ideological Disagreements but they are NOT Terrorists!

      They also get a pass because they aren’t brown people.

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    Another “lone wolf” that has nothing at all to do with the bog standard violent demagoguery of every single right wing talking head grifter I’m sure

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      What are you saying? This has nothing to do with the current republican party or their talking points!

      Mohn also calls for the end of “all woke and gender ideology propaganda in schools and other public places

      I’m sure it’s a coincidence…

      Mohn spouts several far-right talking points, including:

      “America is rotting from the inside out as far-left woke mobs rampage our once prosperous cities, turning them into lawless zones.”

      " A fifth column army of illegal immigrants infiltrates our border"

      Oh…

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        Yikes on bikes. I’m guessing this is yet another person that probably should’ve been in a mental institution instead of alone, ignored, and getting suckered into the alt right pipeline. Surely the level of violence he exhibited is pathological.

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          Sadly, there’s a chance that he wasn’t alone and ignored but was getting as much help and support from his family as they could give on their own. The thought of which makes it even more heart-breaking.

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          I know this a very serious discussion, but I just wanted to say the phrase “yikes on bikes” is a good one.

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        Is this stuff even far-right anymore? Feels like it’s fully adopted by pretty much all self proclaimed Republicans at this point.

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      Because conservatives have hyperactive fear and disgust centers compared to liberals. They really do feel these emotions in a way that non-conservatives do not. I have concluded that it is a mental disorder to be conservative–it’s always projected insecurity.

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        If hexbear was here, they’d tell you liberals are just as bad lol. I agree that to an extent, but in reality I do seem them to be much better. Crazies just so happen to line up with conservative ideals, which essentially just boils down to just bigotry at the end of the day.

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          The day my instance updated to support instance blocking in the user config my Lemmy experience improved significantly

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            Lemmy.world doesn’t support blocking of instances and I can’t read new without being spammed by lemmynsfw.

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              Have you had a poke through the user settings? This was like 2 major versions ago so that’s extremely weird if you still can’t instance block (I have to go to the blocks tab in settings, and below blocked users is blocked instances)

              It also seems like a lot of it is surprisingly few people so just blocking a few key posters from Hexbear greatly reduced the hexbear nonsense in my feed and comments sections.

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                I’ll have a look again, I know that this is in constant development. I migrated from another instance that had that enabled, hoping we get updated here soon enough.

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        You’re generally correct as studies corroborated the feeling of disgust to be stronger on those on the right. But I wouldn’t necessarily put that to every single conservatives. I met many conservatives who are still sane. The term RINO is a thing after all, and the only conservative party I agree with is the German CdU.

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          Yeah… I dunno if the “sane” Conservatives are actual Conservatives. Like, hear me out, I know people who totally understand me as a trans person are perfectly supportive and totally grock leftist talking points and even support fairly socialist economic theory … But they still carry their identities as “Conservatives” because it’s a brilliant bit of branding. For all purposes of actual ideology they are actually progressive, but that word “conservative” strokes the ego in a very particular way.

          People think “conservative” as basically just meaning “Not prone to extremes” or “careful and measured” or maybe even “liking change to be slow and incremental” or “fiscally moderate” … None of this actually describes modern Conservative party ideology but they definitely borrow off the synonyms for votes. Because everyone is primed to think of their veiw as carefully reasoned and non-volitile these “conservative at heart” types really don’t realize that they are being tricked they just like the pretty label and are willing to let themselves be hoodwinked.

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            That’s a damn good point. Also throw in 2A rights and I think you have the right mix. Someone who is genuinely “fiscally conservative” as in desiring a close the balanced budget, believes that 2A is just as important and deserving of defending as 1A and 4A (the main ones everyone knows), and who believes in plenty of legal immigration but thinks national borders are required to have a nation is basically in no man’s land.

            The Republican party pays lip service to those and other “Conservative” ideals, but by actions has abandoned them and are the furthest down the oligarch rabbit hole. The Democrats by action actually tend to do more of these traditionally Conservative things in modern times, but pay lip service to the opposite (gun control, open borders, etc) because many of the the actual far leftists remained more attached to the party instead of splintering off like the Sov Cits and various flavors of libertarians did from the conservative side.

            Since we have a first past the post voting system and thus only 2 viable parties, those “conservative at heart” folks know they are getting grifted by the Republicans, but feel slightly more aligned with Republicans than with Democrats because they feel there is no actual place for them.

            The “Liberal at heart” have a similar problem because the Old Guard corporatist Democrats are also in the Oligarch rabbit hole, just not as deep in many cases. That’s why we get lip service about legalizing marijuana, decriminalization, debt relief, etc, but see very little actual or sustainable progress.

            Very interested to see what happens whenever the government drops below an average age of 65. Maybe under millennial and Zoomer majorities we can get graduated voting methods and multiple viable parties.

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          Fortunately for those of us who don’t have a background in psychology: the folks who are experts tend to publish their findings!

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/

          Highlights:

          Political liberalism and conservatism were correlated with brain structure

          Liberalism was associated with the gray matter volume of anterior cingulate cortex

          Conservatism was associated with increased right amygdala size

          So what do those parts do…

          Anterior cingulate cortex: error detection, anticipation of tasks, attention, motivation, and modulation of emotional responses

          Amygdala: formation and storage of memories associated with emotional events / emotional learning; fear conditioning.

          …so, yeah conservatives are literally, physiologically hypersensitive to fear, and more prone to acting on emotion. WHO’DA THUNK?!?

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            Although these results suggest a link between political attitudes and brain structure, it is important to note that the neural processes implicated are likely to reflect complex processes of the formation of political attitudes rather than a direct representation of political opinions per se. The conceptualizing and reasoning associated with the expression of political opinions is not necessarily limited to structures or functions of the regions we identified but will require the involvement of more widespread brain regions implicated in abstract thoughts and reasoning.

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              Were you wanting to build some kind of argument or hypothesis with that segment, or did you just want to leave it to your reader to assume whatever it is you’re thinking? Cuz the knee-jerk reaction your post evokes is that you’re attempting to dismiss an entire study based on a disclaimer about brains being complicated… but such an attack to your critical thinking skills would ofc be a hasty and unfair conclusion considering you haven’t contributed a single word of your own yet. So by all means, state your case.

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                Least chill comment I’ve seen on lemmy lol I thought I was on reddit for a second… It’s a quote from the study you posted not everyone online is trying to debate you.

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                  I’m a bit worked up. RL shit, not you - forgive my tone.

                  Meat of the last comment stands though: what’s your point? I know it’s a quote from the study, but that’s how studies work: they provide supporting or detracting evidence to whatever it is they’re evaluating. Even if that disclaimer wasn’t there at all, it’d still be implied bc no one study proves or disproves anything, they just contribute to a broader pool of knowledge that eventually leans toward something being accepted as truth.

                  And right now that lean is toward conservatives being driven by fear and emotion.

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                  LOL he’s been going on the attack around here. This concept has broken his brain and he’s just lost it.

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            conservatives are literally, physiologically hypersensitive to fear

            I don’t have a background in psychology either, but the prefix hyper- in medical contexts usually means something is abnormally and dangerously excessive in size, amount, etc. Yet from your quote there’s no reason to conclude the on-average increased amydagla is necessarily abnormally increased. It isn’t, it’s just bigger, it’s not automatically pathological.

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              ‘hyper’ doesn’t have a qualifier in scale; it’s just an increase. Your arm muscles will hypertrophy after a single pushup… not by a significant amount, but by a higher than zero amount.

              My understanding of the amygdala situation is that it follows basically the same model: conservatives aren’t born with a massive amygdala that leaves them extra susceptible to fear and emotion; they do fear work-outs throughout their life by over-consuming shit like Fox News telling us the scary immigrants are here to out-breed us, or some preecher explaining how Jesus won’t let you into heaven if he sees you masturbating… over time they become the fear/emotional equivalent to a body builder; but when you start to look at the other parts of their brain, you might find they didn’t just skip leg day; but that the very concept of leg day is something they find offensive and actively oppose.

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          You don’t have to have a background in psychology to read studies. It has been a topic increasingly researched lately, and the first part of their post is demonstrated by evidence in the studies.

          The conclusion about it being a mental illness is up for debate. It might be seen more as part of the human spectrum, like being gay or trans.

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            The first part was actual results of studies. The second part was me being editorial.

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          It’s a good thing that I was able to read articles that professional psychologists wrote on the subject. But go ahead, be angry.

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            Then how about

            1. You link them when asked about your sources (or actually just link them when making such a Statement)
            2. You don’t present it as your own Opinion

            And yes, I am angry. Angry about all these self-proclaimed Experts these days who think they know everything and know more than Experts who studied this Subject for years.

            All those People who are Climatechange Experts but couldn’t even really tell you, what the Ozone-Layer exactly is.

            Or all those People who proclaim a Genocide in Gaza, but couldn’t even tell you where or how a Genocide is defined.

            If you’re not qualified, you’re allowed to just not say anything and not spew disinformation.

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              This is common knowledge. Your ignorance is not my responsibility. You could easily have looked it up yourself but decided to project your ignorance on us instead.

              Your anger is yours, it has nothing to do with reality. It is something you should deal with through therapy, not by going on tirades against random people on Lemmy simply because you don’t have the experience and education to understand the things that they are talking about. We do not deserve to suffer your insecurity.

              Every single example you gave has a great deal of evidence behind it. You do not like that, and this causes you pain. This is all about you.

              Also references to Mao are probably not going to help you here.

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                I don’t even know where to start

                You made an imaginary picture of me based off of two comments. Then you used that nonexistent, imaginary version of me to make up your opinon and write this Comment in which you call me “ignorant”, “insecure”, “inexperienced”, “uneducated”, and just all-round talk me down.

                So do you now understand why i didn’t believe you?

                Your Comment here is nothing more that baseless Slander and i have no Reason to assume you did any more “Research” for your previous Comment than you did for this one.

                As such i do not see the Point in continuing this Conversation with you and will stop here.

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                  This is so tedious that I am going to go ahead and block you. Take your fake outrage and go somewhere else.

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            I’ve fucking had it with unqualified people talking about stuff they don’t know anything about. If you don’t know anything about a Topic, you’re allowed to not say anything without spewing misinformation.

            I mean, there’s a Reason i don’t give my Opinion on Climatechange. Because i know that i am not qualified to talk about it. I know from personal experience how much university teaches you and how much you miss if you didn’t study that Subject, so i’m not giving my Opinion on a topic i didn’t study. And i expect others to do the same.

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            Removed, rule 3:

            “Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (perjorative, perjorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (perjorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!”

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              Hey, “technically correct” is how the fascists win, but who wants to change the world, amirite? 🤣🤘🏼

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      It’s the empathy differentiator. People with empathy self select towards one end. People without select towards the other.

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        This is an almost perfect description of what’s going on. I was unlucky enough to be raised in one of their conservative homeschool cults… 8 kids. 2 girls, were uneasy about the doctrine for a bit but were taught by parents to be submissive so they just accepted it. 4 other boys, no empathy or feelings whatsoever, became three hateful people and one neo-nazis. The third girl, fought against it with moderate ideas, advocating for women’s rights, etc. Was verbally abused and taunted by them and her parents to the point of extreme depression, self harm, possibly suicidal thoughts idk. Hasn’t left Christianity, but graduated early to get away from them. Then me, enby (assigned male). Not even open about it, but different from the other guys bc I actually have empathy and feelings. Depression, self-harm, suicidal thoughts (the usual), survived bc of outside friends I had in secret, became a pagan liberal but still really mentally screwed up…

        I do wonder if the enlargement of the parts of the brain dealing with fear conditioning, self-deception and emotional learning but lack of emotional regulation are because most if not all extreme conservatives (at least in my campus “dataset” of about 50) have survived extreme cases of abuse and either a) became numb to it and started convincing themselves to do it to others because it’s “right” or b) became extremely depressed, suicidal, learned heightened empathy and critical thinking by surviving that and ended up in the “liberal” dataset.

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          Lookup “Generational Trauma.”

          Families of all different walks of life, from generation to generation are just stuck in cycles of perpetual trauma that they act out and pass down to their children.

          With therapy you start to learn about and recognize your subconscious responses and triggers to this trauma and how to break out of that pattern.

          This ensures that what they say and do no longer holds power over you, that you stop acting on or acting out your own trauma response, and most importantly you break the cycle and stop passing it down to your kids.

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          Raven, hang in there and great job so far! The best revenge is a long, fulfilling life. Gets ‘em every time. 🤘🏼🥰 Let’s fuckin’ go! 🔥🥳

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          There’s a lot to be said about the trauma response and a need for control. So I could see a) pretty easily. B) takes a strong person, but it’s certainly possible.

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          I’m so glad you eventually escaped that, Internet Stranger. I hope you continue to get the help you need. Good wishes to you.

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      Because their extremist speech is normalized. Go on any xitter thread with a political tone and it’s basically red flag after red flag of tweets that will be on the “what we know about the shooter” graphics in the future.

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      Same reason why every time someone is murdered it turns out it was done by a murderer.

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      “We are all donestic terrorists”. The GOP had never been more honest, and probably never will be again.

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        The funny thing about Dunning & Kruger, their study was based on faulty science. They believed their own bullshit and loudly proclaimed their findings that “felt right”. And it became a meme, when a bunch of people believed their headline without checking their study first, including me. There is no significant correlation.

        So, stupid people overestimating their abilities? Let’s start with examining Dunning & Kruger.

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    It’s ironic that if you proclaim to be communist or anarchist, they’ll basically blacklist you, yet one of our political parties is also the largest organized hate group in the nation, and we just accept that as normal.

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      This dude LITERALLY pulled an ISIS beheading his father while basically giving the same talking points AS FUCKING ISIS.

      Swatting, bomb threats, planting bombs, death threats, murder, mass shootings, election tampering, sedition, attacking government institutions. Let’s call a spade a spade. They’re a terrorist organization

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          On one hand this is the internet so you shouldn’t believe everything you’re told/see. On the other hand I can see Republicans being stupid and tone deaf enough to actually do this…

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              goddamn. I’d have felt better with it being a photoshop.

              Rating:

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              About this rating

              Fact Check

              The 2022 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) took place in Dallas, Texas, from Aug. 4-7, featuring Republican notables such as former U.S. President Donald Trump and U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, as well as an assortment of panel discussions.

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                It’s very true, their mask slipped and they admitted what they are. The GOP are domestic terrorists intent on installing a theocratic Christian fascist regime in complete disregard of any freedoms or ideas you may hold. They do not engage in good faith discussions, the only thing they’re interested in is power.

                They’re terrorists, and should be dealt with as such.

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            This is far beyond stupid and tone deaf.

            Here’s a phrase I wish I took more seriously when I was younger: “When someone tells you who they are, believe them.”

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        And they have the gall to say liberalism is a mental disorder.

        Say it with me now, “P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N”

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          …and even taking that BS at face value, an actual mental disorder is infinitely preferable to sober and calculated malice.

          “No -your- brain is broken! I’m just plain ol’ evil.”

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            Their brains are broken. Depending on age, it the condition has a chance to be arrested, if not corrected. Until a significant amount of “not right leaning” people understand that at a core level, nothing will change.

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      Well said. We as a nation need to snap the fuck out of it and realize how insane this all is. How utterly abnormal all this should be.

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    US doing a bang up job of curbing that far right terrorism problem. At least this one wasn’t part of the armed forces.

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      This is a major argument for anti-fascist action. Liberal mainstream society has always been very bad at combating fascism because they desire calm and order and lawfulness which fascists can exploit. So besides “liberal anti-fa” using legal means like suing the KKK out of existence you also need autonomous anti-fa to prevent fascists from recruiting. That is why it’s legitimate to prevent fascists from speaking using “impolite” means, because fascists speech using clever lies creates fascist thinking. The right to free speech has to exclude hate speech.

      PS: A very good book on this topic: Fascism Today: What It Is and How to End It (link)

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        Going to read that article, but first an aside… Look at all those fucking rich white people in that photo.

        How could anyone ever think that the Republicans actually represent anyone besides rich white people? And mostly men at that.

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        Liberal mainstream society has always been very bad at combating fascism because they desire calm and order and lawfulness which fascists can exploit.

        Somehow the most calm and vegetarian liberal mainstream societies are also the least fascist, and fascism doesn’t grow there. So maybe it just works and your fixes are not required.

        So besides “liberal anti-fa” using legal means like suing the KKK out of existence you also need autonomous anti-fa to prevent fascists from recruiting.

        Why would you attack their visibility if the problem is their existence and visibility is a feedback allowing to measure it?

        because fascists speech using clever lies creates fascist thinking.

        Only if fascists use clever lies, how does one tell between “liberals” and fascists?

        And also that fascist thinking is exactly …

        The right to free speech has to exclude hate speech.

        … this. Exclusion of rights given as a dogma.

        You don’t need that, you can just allow people to not communicate with carriers of views they consider inhumane, but you still choose the most fascist way of countering fascism.

        Also:

        You allow you child to do everything, they might get wounded in one way or another, they might become somebody whom you wouldn’t want them to be, they might make mistakes, but they might also be happy.

        You keep them locked (figuratively), and they won’t become anyone at all.

        You make your own choices in between and they become closer to the latter, but conscious of what they could have been.

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          Somehow the most calm and vegetarian liberal mainstream societies are also the least fascist, and fascism doesn’t grow there. So maybe it just works and your fixes are not required.

          Yes absolutely true. Fascism needs specific circumstances to grow. My thinking is that democracy needs prosperity, security and education.

          Property: I mean a modest prosperity instead of precarious living like having a job and being able to afford a home and to raise children without working yourself to death and also without both parents having to work full time (or 2-3 jobs) and neglecting the children. Security: Not being at war and not in constant fear about terrorists and evils that besets society on all sides pumped through the media. Education: Media that doesn’t constantly deceive, obscure and manipulate you

          Why would you attack their visibility if the problem is their existence and visibility is a feedback allowing to measure it?

          I’m not interested in measuring it that way.You can measure it differently. But every time you let crypto fascists speak with their dogwhistles and whatnot they recruit people - depending on the overall material conditions of society too of course. But it is a naive view to think that people are pure or immune to recruitment by fascists. History tells us.

          Only if fascists use clever lies, how does one tell between “liberals” and fascists?

          Yeah good point. I’d argue that the current spade of fascists are mostly interested in grabbing power. Trump and the new GOP isn’t an ideological fascist party, they just use the mechanisms of fascism to gain power and serve their masters interests. Liberals use other mechanisms to gain power - which are shit too but they do not base inequality

          But this explains why e.g. climate activists or pacifists view the current "leftist"parties in the US and EU as kind of right wing extremists. It’s not fascism, but… well.

          And also that fascist thinking is exactly … … this. Exclusion of rights given as a dogma.

          No, fascist thinking is a belief that inequality based on mythological identity is not just acceptable but morally correct.

          What I said is that specific actions do not serve the underlying goal of free speech but the opposite. And it’s not dogma because we have strong psychological and historic evidence for this. It’s also law in many EU countries since fascism last rise.

          But I agree that it’s far from ideal. And autonomous anti-fa action against fascist speech shouldn’t be legal either, but it has good arguments going for it. Ideally we do not have the socioeconomic conditions that creates fertile ground for it. You can see I again blame the mainstream establishment for trump even though the act shocked, just shocked and bewildered by all this. This is the core of why liberal societies are bad at combating extreme fascism.

          You don’t need that, you can just allow people to not communicate with carriers of views they consider inhumane

          I don’t quite understand what you mean here. But like I said, laws like that are not fascist, you could call them authoritarian or statism. But autonomous anti-fa is grass roots not authoritarian / statism.

          On an unrelated note: The goal of free speech / that amendment is to allow accountability of those in power and dissenting voices to be heard. So that people can say what is wrong with the country and have a chance to be heard.

          The current monopolization of news and social media under the control of a tiny minority of ultra-rich goes completely against the idea of free speech - at best they treat speech as a commodity and bias everything in favor of the most profitable speech (clickbait that leads to endless circular arguments and more ad sales). At worst someone like Elon Musk pushes his own personal uneducated beliefs about society. Quasi-Monopolization violates the 1st amendment imho.

          So about your “let your child do some stupid things so they can learn”. That would require at least that they see the consequences of their action, and in this case it’s unimaginable suffering. And how couldl the learn if the media is captured by corporations? So I disagree, they should learn from history or from science. But corporate interest also launched massive anit-science PR campaigns because of climate change.

          PS: Oops I wrote way too much lol

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            In short, my opinion on this exchange:

            It’s a complex subject. I think there’s a bit of bias in the direction of wealth inequality in your view, and a bit of bias in the direction of skepticism of managing society by laws (I don’t trust a person to make the right decision for another person) in my view.

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      I think this guy is just fucknut crazy, not a terrorist per se. Either way though, it’s not a great look.

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        It’s not a coincidence that a batshit crazy person is spewing right wing insanity and not singing kumbaya with the lefties. Just saying.

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        Terrorism is “fucknut crazy”. Killing others in the name of a belief system that controls and represses others, for political or theological reasons, is fucking nuts. This isn’t the control of “don’t shit on LGBTQ people” that conservatives whine about and claim is liberal tyranny, this is the control that physically harms people because they don’t conform to their fucked-up belief system. Which is what this guy did.

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    Another person driven to hate and violence by the republican party when all he needed was solutions from the left.

    He sued the feds 4 times, including one time when:

    Mohn “alleged that the obligation to make payments on his student loan led to mental anguish, emotional distress, financial strain, lack of savings, and debt, all of which allegedly impacted his quality of life.”
    -https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/justin-mohn-was-angry-he-couldn-t-get-job-as-overeducated-white-man/ar-BB1hyebP

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      Fucking hell, and he thought the Republicans were going to be the ones to help him?

      Biden literally tried to forgive a bunch of student loan debt last year, but was blocked by Republicans.

      I know there’s no explaining mental illness, but our country is failing people when they’re this misinformed.

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    From another source, decapitation aside, this guy does sound severely mentally ill.

    https://www.phillyburbs.com/story/news/crime/2024/01/30/middletown-police-bucks-county-justin-mohn-michael-mohn-death-levittown-upper-orchard/72416523007/

    "The video, reviewed by this news organization, includes a manifesto-style rant in which Mohn calls on his followers to take action against federal employees. It is titled “Call to Arms for American Patriots.”

    After holding up what appears to be his father’s severed head, he says he now controls and commands “America’s police and military,” and calls for the execution of federal employees, and puts bounties on the FBI director, the Attorney General and the Chief Supreme Court Justice.

    He rails against the LGBTQ community, the Black Lives Matters and “terrorist organizations such as anti-fa.” He calls for the seizure of federal buildings and says federal employees should be “publicly executed for betraying their country.”

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      This is how stochastic terrorism works. Fox news pumps out a constant stream of crazy shit that they can plausibly say are opinions or entertainment, then vulnerable people who are exposed to it intertwine it with their own delusions and carry out acts of violence. Fox and others keep upping their rhetoric to keep their people hooked, their viewers keep escalating their rhetoric, and their viewers become more and more radicalized. It starts with mentally ill people who’ve been poisoned by this taking action, and eventually the terrorism gets normalized.

      IMHO, this will continue to happen more regularly until there are red hat mobs going door to door executing everyone with a pride flag or black lives matter sign in their window. The cops will be there to make sure no one resists the mob, just like they did with white riots in the past.

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    This is what right wing talking points do to a motherfucker. These people are not well to begin with, and when they mainline toxic propoganda 24/7 they go absolutely insane.

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    How much would fox news cover this if this was an Antifa / BLM person?

    Oops, that doesn’t happen because Antifa / BLM aren’t remotely a concern to the FBI, unlike right-wing extremists responsible for the vast majority of political violence and murder.

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      Political violence has been perpetrated by the right wing extremists far, far more often than the left, yes. Totally agree with your point.

      But I have to speak up: The FBI has tracked and harassed leftists and black activists in the past and I don’t want anyone to think otherwise.

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        True, but it wasn’t always true. In the 1960s and 70s the far left was more violent. Not especially relevant, but it is interesting.

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    That’s disturbing. That quoted bit of dialogue definitely has some grandiose language. Seems like yet another case where extremist right wing media fed into psychosis leading to a tragic outcome.

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      Yeah definitely a mix of mental health and too much propaganda. In the quoted portions he is clearly delusional. He tells all postal workers that if they don’t quit and join their countrymen he can’t promise protection for them. He may have done something like this anyway but clearly the anti Biden message has resonated with him.

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        I think it’s more that this nut job latched onto conservatism as his thing. If it wasn’t that it would have been something else.

        That being said, if conservatism wasn’t preventing adequate mental healthcare maybe this wouldn’t have happened.

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            Really? No crazy person has ever snapped and killed someone for any reason other than conservatism?

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              What ideology produces a comparable number of spree killers to the far right?

              You don’t have to be “crazy” to kill someone (unless you care to argue that every soldier is a crazy person) and you don’t have to be far-right to kill someone.

              But American conservatives absolutely target and encourage murderers using exactly the same methods as Muslim extremists do. They told him exactly who he should kill and why he should kill them.

              Would he have killed him anyway, even if conservatives hadn’t pushed him to? Sure, maybe.

              But in this reality, he held up a severed head to the public and repeated conservative talking points.

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                I’d agree that conservatism is probably the biggest one as far as political idealogy currently but throughout history communism and anarchism have certainly had their share. I’m sure we could find examples from just about any of them if we took the time to dig into it. I wasn’t limiting it to political ideologies though. Crazy people have snapped and murdered people for all sorts of non political reasons as well.

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          I think he will hold onto this fractured reality because letting go of it will be too painful.

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        You don’t need to be psychotic to murder someone. Soldiers can be trained to kill. There could be nothing in his head to medicate away, just a bunch of conservative dogshit where his mind should have been.

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      The far-right intentionally targets vulnerable people. It’s why all their heroes are teenagers or violently mentally ill.

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      It’s not about republicans, it’s about mental health.

      Also when mental health problems’ reception in the society marginalizes you, you tend to seek for cults\sects and other such kinds of feeling of belonging to something without it being personal (because personal contacts are where your trauma is).

      I didn’t read the article, but suspect he also lived with his father at that age.

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          What? Does anything of what I said require reading it? Use your head for a difference

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            Participation in a discussion requires your due diligence to at least familiarize yourself with the topic.

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              Does anything of what I said require reading it?

              I think I’ve addressed that and you are playing dumb.

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                It’s not about republicans, it’s about mental health.

                No, it’s about repoublicans. Trump specifically.

                Also when mental health problems’ reception in the society marginalizes you, you tend to seek for cults\sects and other such kinds of feeling of belonging to something without it being personal (because personal contacts are where your trauma is).

                Wild guess with no backing in the article at all

                I didn’t read the article, but suspect he also lived with his father at that age.

                Cool guess, but you could also have read the article.

                Just shooting wild guesses and opinions under a very problematic topic helps noone and is lazy at best.

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                  Do you remember when those couple people tortured a developmentally disabled guy on camera because he liked Trump? Probably not.

                  I don’t like Trump but there are definitely crazies everywhere. I think dehumanizing people with different opinions about how to create a healthy society is the dangerous thing. Saying the other side are all monsters tends to turn people with mental illness into monster hunters.

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                  Wild guess

                  It’s not a guess, it’s a dependency connected to the wider subject.

                  with no backing in the article at all

                  It’s not about the article.

                  Just shooting wild guesses and opinions under a very problematic topic helps noone and is lazy at best.

                  My guesses and opinions are definitely better than those of apes throwing their own shit at another bunch of apes with weird red headwear.

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              I wasn’t answering the article, you moron. And you were answering my comment.

              Why are morons like you always so confident of being able to do irony?

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        It’s not about republicans, it’s about mental health.

        Republicans are actively making it as hard as possible to receive help for or pro actively address mental health issues. They also actively shame people for such problems and want them to just shut up about it. So no, Republicans definitely bear quite a lot of guilt for such “tragedies”!

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          I was answering an opinion about republicans being more likely to cut off heads and spew stuff about immigrants destroying Murrica (because they all are secretly tribesmen with pipe and feathers hidden somewhere safe).

          What you say is orthogonal to that.

          Yeah, surely they do.

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            What you say is orthogonal to that.

            How so? The primary audience for violent propaganda are republicans. The worst you can find on the democrat/left side are people saying you should beat up Nazis. And even that is hardly done by “official” news channels.

            So yeah, currently fanatic republicans are a lot more likely to commit murder than anyone on the other side. Their fetishisation of guns to “defend them self” against the government alone makes sure of that.

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              How so? The primary audience for violent propaganda are republicans. The worst you can find on the democrat/left side are people saying you should beat up Nazis. And even that is hardly done by “official” news channels.

              I think we should measure this both in periods when relative dominance is held by Democrats and when it is held by Republicans.

              They feel themselves marginalized and act more aggressively.

              Their fetishisation of guns to “defend them self” against the government

              I actually like that little thing, when it’s presented like in Heinlein’s books.

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                I think we should measure this both in periods when relative dominance is held by Democrats and when it is held by Republicans.

                OK, the same was still true under Trump. Both sides aren’t the same.