• grte@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    191
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    Now if they could just take this lesson and apply it to the rest of the ‘information’ that is supplied by the media environment they have immersed themselves in.

    • CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      124
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 months ago

      These people are going to go home and be proud of how they defended the border and tell everyone about it.

      “Immigrants stopped coming because we were there! See?! It works!”

        • CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          ·
          5 months ago

          Wasn’t there some scammer that was selling pieces of the border wall? Like you could sponsor a piece of it and have your name on it?

          • jpreston2005@lemmy.world
            cake
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            10
            ·
            5 months ago

            personalized vanity stones with family names and little messages being used to stop families at the border is actually hilarious

            “From the Johnsons. Peter, Debbie, and little David. - we’re hate-filled!”

            or one with their pets pawprint “my Pepper is just as racist as I am!”

      • Donjuanme@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        5 months ago

        As if they had the capability to learn. That was beaten out of them with a bibble before primary school.

  • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    109
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    5 months ago

    The last time they tried a Civil war they failed, and destroyed their own economies in the process. That time, they had some of the best generals available. This time they have Boebert and Trump to lead them,

    • Ashyr@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      36
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      5 months ago

      “Best generals available” might be a bit of a stretch. That’s a bit of the Lost Cause mythology still wrattling about the internet.

        • Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          20
          ·
          edit-2
          5 months ago

          Lee almost took it too, he didn’t want to secede but he felt like he was betraying his fellow statesmen in Virginia. People forget that before the civil war people didn’t think of themselves as Americans, they thought of themselves as citizens of whatever state they were from.

          • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            5 months ago

            From what I’ve read, before the War people said “…the United States are…” and after they changed it to “…the United States IS…”

            Also, I like the stories that the British had agents who privately encouraged the South to fight the North in order to keep America weak. Putin didn’t invent anything new

      • grue@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        18
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        5 months ago

        On the contrary, I think your comment is a bit of a stretch in the other direction. Leaving variances in talent among individuals aside, the officers on both sides were broadly comparable because they had all gone through the same West Point training and were colleagues in the same chain of command, with the same strategy and doctrine, until the Southern ones turned traitor.

        • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          5 months ago

          I understood that pro-union misinformation and propaganda and poor understanding of history is orders of magnitude less harmful than pro-confederate, but it still bothers me. Lee was an incredible general. Jackson, Longstreet, even Early were excellent tacticians. The union could not field anyone who was a match for them until Grant and Sherman.

      • RedAggroBest@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        5 months ago

        I haven’t seen that part disputed? To my knowledge there was a very good reason Lee was the superintendent at the US Military Academy and was even offered a Union command before Virginia seceded, and this pattern holds with his underlings too. A lot of Confederate victories were beating odd against bigger Union armies.

      • Kage520@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        5 months ago

        Wasn’t their general first helping to lead the Union army before Virginia turned against the Union and he turned with them?

    • makyo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      24
      ·
      5 months ago

      I assume ending this comment on a comma was intentional but even if it wasn’t it’s perfect

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    65
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    5 months ago

    Wait… wasn’t there a huge invasion of South American immigrants about to hit our border in 2020? What ever happened to them? And what about the roving bands of Antifa attacking small towns?

    These fucking idiots believe whatever the fuck is fed to them. They don’t remember all the times that info was wrong and realign. That’s why they’re dangerous: they aren’t operating on even the appearance of facts.

    • prole@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      It’s like they didn’t expect any of these losers to actually get off their asses and see for themselves that it’s bullshit. Whoops.

      Not that it matters for the rest of them. They’re too far gone.

    • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      5 months ago

      They are walking here. Imagine for a second that you had to walk to the store…be honest, we’re Americans, it would take years. You would probably never make it back home if it was winter, at night or full summer. It’s a trek. Now imagine walking from guatemala (prenounced watemalla). They are coming 😁. And when they get here, they’re going to dangerously tired. So dangerous in fact that we just gotta send people there… To help.

  • pantyhosewimp@lemmynsfw.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    35
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    5 months ago

    I don’t know what I expected. I can tell you it’s not as bad as what I thought.

    Which is it you stupid?! How did civilization get this way? I can’t take it anymore.

    • Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      How did civilization get this way?

      Well, it started when Nixon posited that conservatives needed a republican news outlet to frame political problems in a way that always casted republicans in a good light, that way a media-landslide like Watergate wouldn’t happen again. Fox News was born, and has slowly been pushing our society into what it is now.

      So, to answer your question, the snowball started rolling about 50 years ago.

      In the scenario in your comment, that very same news network told a bunch of gullable, trained idiots that we are being invaded, in order to make republican policy look good.

    • Fades@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      5 months ago

      the morons have connected through no fault of their own; stupidity has been enabled.

      • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        5 months ago

        If you’re protesting the gaza genocide you’re clearly working for Putin to… um distract from Ukraine? Hey wait a minute…

          • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            5 months ago

            The 15 permanent judges of the ICJ unanimously said as much, and Israel and Netanyahu basically calling it a genocide themselves.

            • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.de
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              5 months ago

              No they didn’t. Not saying the ruling is right or wrong but the court did not call it a genocide (yet).

              • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                5 months ago

                The ruling has been massively downplayed by the german media with headlines like “does not order ceasefire” when it ordered Israel to “stop killing members of the group”, basically ordered them to stop committing acts of genocide. At this stage they could not be any clearer!

                They also ordered under 80. the immediate provision and humanitarian aid. On the same day Israel comes up with this accusation about some 12 out of thousands of aid workers being member of hamas. Then Germany among others cuts of humanitarian aid, directly in violation of the ICJ order. Which now makes Germany complicit in the genocide.

                If Israel is allowed to continue a million innocent civilians could easily die horribly from starvation, thirst or disease, as well as just exposure.

                For reference: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf

                1. The Court considers that, with regard to the situation described above, Israel must, in accordance with its obligations under the Genocide Convention, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular: (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; © deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. The Court recalls that these acts fall within the scope of Article II of the Convention when they are committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part a group as such (see paragraph 44 above). The Court further considers that Israel must ensure with immediate effect that its military forces do not commit any of the above-described acts.
                2. The Court is also of the view that Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.
                3. The Court further considers that Israel must take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
                4. Israel must also take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of Article II and Article III of the Genocide Convention against members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.
                • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.de
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  4
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  My point is that the judges did not unanonimously called it genocide. I just don’t want fake news being spread. The ruling has much more nuance than that.

            • Econgrad@lemmings.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              10
              ·
              edit-2
              5 months ago

              All this nonsense can be removed with one simple statement. One simple argument.

              Gaza is as dense as New York City.

              If they wanted to commit genocide deaths would be far higher than 30,000.

              Also you’re ignoring the absolute fact that has been demonstrated many many times, that palestinian terrorists like Hamas embed themselves within civilian infrastructure and hide among civilian populations.

              This is why Israel has to warn people before they bomb a certain area. And of course the terrorist escape due to these warnings as well.

              Does that sound like a genocide to you? Not if you’re honest it doesn’t.

              If Israel wanted to genocide Gaza the numbers would be far far higher we’re talking over a quarter million deaths. It would be absurdly easy. It’s important that you be honest internally otherwise you make the world worse despite what you might think are noble intentions.

              • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                5 months ago

                You’re completely uninformed about the definition and the laws against genocide.

                • Econgrad@lemmings.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  5
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  I’m actually not and genocide doesn’t have multiple definitions which is a thing that unfortunately people who claim to be progressive love to do… I’m progressive myself but I draw distinction between myself and many progressives by calling myself a moderate progressive. I don’t try and redefine words to fit my ideology.

                  Genocide means to try and wipe out totally a people or an ethnicity through means of violence or deliberate actions. Things like the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide are good examples as is the Khmer Rogue terror in Cambodia.

                  However horrifying examples of violence on a grand scale like the rape of Nanking during World War II do not count because they are not attempts to eradicate an entire ethnicity or people nor do they end up having that impact whether the intention was or not.

                  If the rape of Nanking does not qualify as a genocide then there’s no way in heck the Gaza war does. I need you to be honest and have integrity so that we can make the world better. As progressives we will only have ourselves to blame if we let emotion and passion override logic and truth. Because it WILL make the world worse long-term.

                  I’m in favor of a ceasefire at this point but it is absolutely not a genocide nor was it ever.

  • Fades@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    27
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    meanwhile, I ran into some moron from another country trying to tell me, an American, about how 26 US state governors have stood against the government and are “amassing troops at the texan border.”

    Fucking hilarious if it weren’t so fucking sad and dangerous.

    • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      5 months ago

      I wonder how bad the filter bubble is for some people. Like “relevant search results” or articles in their preferred news media. And trained cognitive biases. There is a lot of deliberate effort from the fascists and careless ignorance from tech companies to make it this way.