• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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    11 months ago

    Kind of?

    Historically at least it’s a pretty normal amount of civilian casualties and their stated goal of Hamas vs Palestine helps a lot.

    But everything outside the conflict should be enough, it wasn’t exactly paradise to be a Palestinian living in Israel pre-conflict

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      11 months ago

      I think the thing that many aren’t following is that there are other war crimes than genocide, and one doesn’t mean the other.

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        11 months ago

        ICJ ruled that the claims of genocide are credible, so I’m going to keep calling it genocide.

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          11 months ago

          Correct - that’s the South African led one isn’t it? The 60 odd page full of legal jargon one i read a few days ago? Posted the same time as the Middle East now article that was edited?

          Because the conclusions they came to, in section 63 off the top of my head, is that there are credible claims, and the best way forward is to call for a cease fire so claims can be investigated. It did not say Israel is committing genocide - it said there are events and actions that need to be investigated on both sides.

          It discusses the Israel blockade of aid, and Israel response as to why it was done. That attacks were carried out on civilian infrastructure that Hamas was using… and the blatant attack on civilians that sparked off this whole new round of suffering.

          One war crime does not justify the other, make no mistake I am not claiming that. But it seems awfully continent how many people are taking one line of a very detailed and balanced report and ignoring the entirety of the context of it.

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      11 months ago

      What do you mean by pre-conflict? collective punishment has been Israeli policy since its founding.

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        11 months ago

        Before the current situation ie. October 7th Israel has been quite hostile to Palestinians