• Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Germany’s role as a moral shield for Israel’s genocide is the most disgusting part of this whole ordeal.

    I’ve read about the Staatsräson with some bemusement. It seems that Germany’s lesson from the Holocaust is not that there should be no more genocide but that Zionist Jews can do whatever they want.

    Germany is always on the wrong side of history it seems.

    If you want Germany to atone for Nazism, give Israel your country rather than making the Palestinians pay for your crimes for the last 75 years.

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      8 months ago

      If you want Germany to atone for Nazism, give Israel your country

      Sounds fancy, but this is as realistic as a permanent peace with Gaza as long as it is controlled by the Hamas terrorists that have the main goal to destroy Israel.

      Staatsräson

      In Germany, the word is criticised, because of the “Interpretationsspielraum” (“wiggle room”).

      but that Zionist Jews can do whatever they want.

      There are multiple German politicians warning about a disaster in Rafah, about flooding tunnels with sea water, etc. Acting like Germany is cheering “Well done, go on!!!” is far away from the truth.

      Germany is always on the wrong side of history it seems.

      Interesting, because Germany was and is kind of well aligned with the Western World for the last decades…

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        8 months ago

        I don’t necessarily agree with every point from the previous poster, but saying Germany is in line with the western world isn’t exactly a defense because the western world hasn’t exactly been above reproach for the last 25 years. There is a lot of Muslim blood on several countries hands. I understand that you argued that the Palestinians struck first, but when you look at the overall death toll, it’s pretty clear that it isn’t the west getting slaughtered on a regular basis in the last decades.

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          I don’t necessarily agree with every point from the previous poster, but saying Germany is in line with the western world isn’t exactly a defense because the western world hasn’t exactly been above reproach for the last 25 years.

          I did not see it as a defense… More like a “Maybe, you are on the wrong side, too”…

          I understand that you argued that the Palestinians struck first, but when you look at the overall death toll, it’s pretty clear that it isn’t the west getting slaughtered on a regular basis in the last decades.

          The numbers were always like that. Hamas kills X Israelis, Israel reacts and kill X * 10 Palestinians.

          Thus, Hamas knew how bad the consequences of the latest massacre could be. I think, Hamas wanted all this. They wanted these pictures. They wanted to separate Israel and some Muslim-countries. One more reason to make sure, they lose power.

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            8 months ago

            Whether they wanted it or not, they aren’t the ones personally pulling the trigger on Palestinians. The Israelis still have a choice about how they respond, and they’ve chosen utter annihilation. Just because you are baited doesn’t mean you have to take the bait.

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              Just because you are baited doesn’t mean you have to take the bait.

              Sure. But what’s the alternative? Relaxing and waiting for the next attack?

              Hamas’ primary goal is to destroy Israel. If they stay in power, there will be a next time…

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                A measured response. Tactical assimilation of the population until they are united. Education measures to show that historically they are the same people originating from the same region, and they can coexist together rather than enforce an apartheid.

                Those are just a few alternatives to wholesale slaughter of an entire region, and Israel has the available resources to do it.

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                    8 months ago

                    Fewer angry Palestinians = fewer people for Hamas to recruit, and more potential informants to help them fight the threat. It doesn’t solve Muslim extremism across the globe, but it does assuage the situation next door to an extent, and makes it easier to be sure that you’re killing the right people rather than anyone who has had sympathies for Hamas after experiencing oppression.