I disagree with the notion that religion is a mental disorder. I myself don’t subscribe to religion or the notion of a god, but you need to be careful with how you say things like this as this will feed into christian feelings of persecution. This kind of rhetoric is exactly what the christian god has done. Cleanse the unbelievers because they’re evil. Do not commit the same failure that this other guy is. We can’t commit the same crimes as the proposed yaweh and think ourselves morally superior.
Hear hear. I’m often disturbed by how many upvotes these comments that show hate towards religious people in general get, and as much as I hate blocking people, I often block the posters on sight. I guarantee that if I still followed that religion, and heard someone say my beliefs were a mental disorder, it would do nothing to change my mind. In fact, depending on what phase I stayed in, I might decide to retaliate by spamming more threads with proselytizing in hopes of getting an even worse reaction to confirm that all nonreligious people are like that, that they were the ones who needed to change or be eliminated.
I’d like to know what your definition of mental disorder is as that may make it clearer where our disagreement lies. My definition would be a condition that has a clinical effect on a persons psychological well-being as diagnosed by a professional using the DSM as diagnostic standards.
One of those things in the DSM is a steadfast belief in something that clearly is not true and can be repeatedly disproven. Patient remains firm in his delusion.
“God spoke to me” is an auditory hallucination. The religion’s founder was literally going to stab his son to death over this.
Yes, some people in religions can hold delusional beliefs. However, there are also people who release their delusions and instead hold onto unfalsifiable beliefs. There are also people who try to merge their religion into reality and are willing to change their mind on the attributes of their religion. However, there are many aspects of religion that do not have proveably false natures. There are people who haven’t been shown how their beliefs conflict with reality. You are just as bad as the theists if you wish to harm or outlaw the freedom of religion these people have. You are going after the freedoms of millions if not billions of innocent people because of the actions of some radicals with power. It goes back to my previous statement. You’re advocating a similar thing to what they are.
The christian persecution complex is a primary reason for abolition of Abrahamic religions. That complex is caused by the religion itself; it’s literally written into their canon. You’re advocating for spoiling and enabling an unruly child.
I’m not saying I’m feeding into their persecution complex. I was saying that you are. Telling them that the religion they identify so strongly with should be destroyed just makes them feel justified in their belief.
I don’t think that it is circular.
They believe they are being persecuted>someone does something that feels like persecution to them>they feel they have confirmed their persecution.
Im not saying it makes sense. It just is how I’ve seen it and even experienced it when i was a mormon.
Agreed, that does happen. It’s because christians are primed to believe that outside questioning if it is done in an aggressive way is persecution. Thats why they shut down and won’t hear your arguments when you come at them in an aggressive way.
I disagree with the notion that religion is a mental disorder. I myself don’t subscribe to religion or the notion of a god, but you need to be careful with how you say things like this as this will feed into christian feelings of persecution. This kind of rhetoric is exactly what the christian god has done. Cleanse the unbelievers because they’re evil. Do not commit the same failure that this other guy is. We can’t commit the same crimes as the proposed yaweh and think ourselves morally superior.
Hear hear. I’m often disturbed by how many upvotes these comments that show hate towards religious people in general get, and as much as I hate blocking people, I often block the posters on sight. I guarantee that if I still followed that religion, and heard someone say my beliefs were a mental disorder, it would do nothing to change my mind. In fact, depending on what phase I stayed in, I might decide to retaliate by spamming more threads with proselytizing in hopes of getting an even worse reaction to confirm that all nonreligious people are like that, that they were the ones who needed to change or be eliminated.
Normal brains do not suffer from constant persecution complexes. This complex is literally written into the canon. It is, in fact, a mental disorder.
See also “the War on Christmas”
I’d like to know what your definition of mental disorder is as that may make it clearer where our disagreement lies. My definition would be a condition that has a clinical effect on a persons psychological well-being as diagnosed by a professional using the DSM as diagnostic standards.
One of those things in the DSM is a steadfast belief in something that clearly is not true and can be repeatedly disproven. Patient remains firm in his delusion.
“God spoke to me” is an auditory hallucination. The religion’s founder was literally going to stab his son to death over this.
Yes, some people in religions can hold delusional beliefs. However, there are also people who release their delusions and instead hold onto unfalsifiable beliefs. There are also people who try to merge their religion into reality and are willing to change their mind on the attributes of their religion. However, there are many aspects of religion that do not have proveably false natures. There are people who haven’t been shown how their beliefs conflict with reality. You are just as bad as the theists if you wish to harm or outlaw the freedom of religion these people have. You are going after the freedoms of millions if not billions of innocent people because of the actions of some radicals with power. It goes back to my previous statement. You’re advocating a similar thing to what they are.
The christian persecution complex is a primary reason for abolition of Abrahamic religions. That complex is caused by the religion itself; it’s literally written into their canon. You’re advocating for spoiling and enabling an unruly child.
I’m not saying I’m feeding into their persecution complex. I was saying that you are. Telling them that the religion they identify so strongly with should be destroyed just makes them feel justified in their belief.
Circular logic
I don’t think that it is circular. They believe they are being persecuted>someone does something that feels like persecution to them>they feel they have confirmed their persecution. Im not saying it makes sense. It just is how I’ve seen it and even experienced it when i was a mormon.
“THIS religion is the best and rightest one, and people will hate you for it!”
"No it isn’t "
“SEE??!!! I TOLD YOU SO!!!”
Agreed, that does happen. It’s because christians are primed to believe that outside questioning if it is done in an aggressive way is persecution. Thats why they shut down and won’t hear your arguments when you come at them in an aggressive way.