• FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Billy club, taser, or just a good old Sparta kick to the chest. If lethal force is your first instinct when a child comes at you with a stick, you should in no way be allowed to carry a weapon.

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      8 months ago

      Billy club, taser, or just a good old Sparta kick to the chest.

      Wouldn’t a gardening hoe have range/length/blockage on those other weapons, making them ineffective for defense?

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        Club yeah, taser should be able to reach out and touch him, pepper spray, or just run back and try to talk the kid down since you’re the grown adult, fuckin something from these shitbirds who get a tax break on an MRAP and then cosplay as soldiers with none of the rules. Lethal force should be the last resort, not a reflexive first move. Bad training that is essentially just thin blue line propaganda.

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          Club yeah, taser should be able to reach out and touch him, pepper spray, or just run back and try to talk the kid down since you’re the grown adult,

          I was thinking the taser wires could get caught up in the hoe forks, as they would be in front of the person.

          Pepper spray may work, though I’ve always read that there’s some people who get used to it, so it doesn’t stop them from doing their violence.

          I’m thinking at the point where someone is running at you (per the OP picture) with a deadly instrument it’s probably too late to talk them down.

          Lethal force should be the last resort, not a reflexive first move. Bad training that is essentially just thin blue line propaganda.

          Can definitely agree on this one. Considering we keep seeing this crap over and over again, I got to wonder what kind of training the police departments are giving their people, that this keeps coming up.

          Not discarding proper training, but what we really need is something that only exists in fiction, Star Trek phasers, set on stun.

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          8 months ago

          Did you watch the video? The cop literally was running away from the guy that was chasing after him.

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        8 months ago

        The way you defend against a reach weapon is by closing in, not giving space. Unless you have murderous intent.

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          8 months ago

          Unless you have murderous intent.

          I think it’s safe to think that would always be the case, if someone comes at you with a weapon.

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            8 months ago

            *child *farm implement

            And by you I meant the cop. But I agree we can assume they’ll always have murderous intent. That’s the only thing they’re trained to do. Mental illness? Murder. Acorn fell? Murder. Child having an episode? Murder. Suspect complains they can’t breathe? Murder.

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      8 months ago

      No, tasers and clubs are used when someone is of no threat whatsoever to you (ego disincluded). Guns are for everything else. But also sometimes just for everything /s

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      8 months ago

      Now lets put you there under an attack and give you 4 seconds to decide what to do. I wanna see that Sparta kick.

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        8 months ago

        4 seconds to decide what to do.

        Isn’t that what training is for? To train the brain to react appropriately? Why do hair dressers require more training than cops?

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          The training, what little there is, is the problem in this case unfortunately. All the killology and us vs them horseshit they tell cops leads to precisely this type of situation. Proper training means that is indeed more than enough time to check down an ROE before using lethal force, but when you have a hammer and no one punishes you for hitting the wrong nail…every kid looks like a nail if they’re they wrong socioeconomic type or color and you’re constantly in “fear for your life.”

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          The point is that it’s quite easy here to observe the video comfortably from your couch at home and with the power of hindsight ponder what they should’ve done instead. The officer being attacked here had no such luxury. This is in no way me saying that there’s zero issues on how policing is done in the US. There’s nuance to these things.

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        Why is it important to let everyone know that you are at any given moment about 4 seconds away from killing a child?

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            No mother fucker. No. This was not a man. This WAS a child. Fuck off with your quotation marks.

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            I was willing to give your argument consideration until this braindead-ass comment. You can fuck right off now. Goddamn boot lickers.

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              Describing a teenage boy as a child is just pushing a narrative to minimize the potential threath by him. Look at the pictures in the article. If someone his age and size charges at you while wielding a weapon then you should be scared for your life. That is not to say shooting is the optimal solution but you better do something and quick.

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                8 months ago

                I looked at his picture and I see a child.

                You looked at his picture and you saw his black skin, and that was all you needed to see…

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                  I think it’s safe to assume that of us two it’s you whose more interested about the color of his skin

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                    As an active duty member of the US Navy and specifically the submarine forces, people like you make me less and less hesitant to set condition 1SQ for nuclear launch when the time comes.

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        If you can’t handle a teenager with a gardening tool what the fuck can you handle?

        Keep in mind: these are supposed to be trained professionals with convenient access to lethal weapons and yet every. god. damn. fucking. time their response is to escalate to the point of killing.

        Cops can go fuck themselves. As a profession they’ve proven themselves as capable as a toddler and as dumb, angry, and confused as… I don’t know. I didn’t even think it was possible to be as dumb, angry, and confused as they are.

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            Because as a cop you dehumanize yourself and other people, therefore are undeserving of humanity. Ya’ll have been killing black kids long before that time ya’ll dropped C4 explosives on their homes in 1985. Cops are irredeemable fascist pigs, gun-wielding arms of the state, whom the 2nd ammendment was written to permit shooting.

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        8 months ago

        Maybe that’s why they give all that cop training for? You speak as if cops are cornered deer.