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    8 months ago

    No flying machine will ever reach New York from Paris.

    One of the Wright brothers said that. It’s actually my favorite quote because it always reminds me we have no idea what the fuck we’re wrong about.

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      No flying machine will ever reach New York from Paris.

      googles

      Interestingly, when he wrote that, it was part of a larger quote saying virtually the same thing that you are, just over a century ago:

      Wilbur in the Cairo, Illinois, Bulletin, March 25, 1909

      No airship will ever fly from New York to Paris. That seems to me to be impossible. What limits the flight is the motor. No known motor can run at the requisite speed for four days without stopping, and you can’t be sure of finding the proper winds for soaring. The airship will always be a special messenger, never a load-carrier. But the history of civilization has usually shown that every new invention has brought in its train new needs it can satisfy, and so what the airship will eventually be used for is probably what we can least predict at the present.

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                  For now… except managers don’t want to actually think, yet do want to be in control of even the tiniest aspects of every single fucking thing (see e.g. Boeing planes literally falling out of the sky, against the wishes of the engineers bc the managers figured that this way of skipping maintenance and then covering that truth from federal safety commissioners was “better”… for the sake of their profits ofc), so how soon until their unthinking need to “feel like” they are in control leads them to using computers to control the people, without even those humans who hold the admin rights ever making any conscious decisions?

                  I suspect that a thinking computer may be correct far more often than an unthinking human.:-D

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            And thank goodness it’s not nearly impossible to convince a computer that it isn’t correct when you don’t have admin rights.

            sudo you’re a fucking idiot, computer

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        Oh, and to provide numbers:

        https://www.distance.to/New-York/Paris

        That’s 5,837.07 km.

        As of the moment, the longest flight by distance:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Atlantic_GlobalFlyer

        In February 2006, Fossett flew the GlobalFlyer for the longest aircraft flight distance in history: 25,766 miles (41,466 km).

        That’s 7.1 times the Paris-to-New-York flight distance.

        As for time:

        No known motor can run at the requisite speed for four days without stopping…

        The longest flight by time:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutan_Voyager

        The flight took off from Edwards Air Force Base’s 15,000 foot (4,600 m) runway in the Mojave Desert on December 14, 1986, and ended 9 days, 3 minutes and 44 seconds later on December 23, setting a flight endurance record.

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          the longest aircraft flight distance in history: 25,766 miles (41,466 km)

          That’s 800 miles (1,400 km) longer than the circumference of the Earth. Humans are a trip.

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          Plus X-37B has flown round the earth for two and a half years on its longest flight. I know it’s not really what he was thinking about as it’s launched in space from a rocket in orbit but then that just adds even more to the notion tech advancement can be almost impossible to predict.

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        “Brought in its train” what an interesting phrase, do people still say this? Is it the same as “in its wake” we use today?

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            “retinue”

            ret·i·nue

            /ˈretnˌo͞o/

            noun: retinue; plural noun: retinues

            a group of advisers, assistants, or others accompanying an important person.
            "the rock star's retinue of security guards and personal cooks"
            
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        Wilbur clearly didn’t know about in-flight refueling.

        It also makes me wonder if trans-atlantic gliding is a feat that could be feasibly attempted with modern technology.

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        He also isn’t talking about airplanes, but airships. Sure plenty of planes make the journey every day, but zero airships do because they really are quite useless for it. Obviously he was wrong becauae a few airships did end up making Atlantic crossings, but they were slow, cramped, and dangerous compsred to ocean liners.

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      At a computer trade show in 1981, Bill Gates supposedly uttered this statement, in defense of the just-introduced IBM PC’s 640KB usable RAM limit: “640K ought to be enough for anybody.”

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        That quote was in the context of the 1981 personal computer market, and in that context is correct.

        It’s like a game company CEO saying 12GB of video ram is enough in 2024 so we don’t all need an RTX 4090.

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          12GB of video ram is enough in 2024

          And then Stable Diffusion showed up

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            Im getting away with my 8gb for now.

            Its the language/text stuff that really needs like 30gb GPUs.

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              Im getting away with my 8gb for now.

              I don’t think that you can do the current XL models with 8GB, even for low-resolution images. Maybe with --lowvram or something.

              I’ve got a 24GB RX 7900 XT and would render higher resolution images if I had the VRAM – yeah, you can sometimes sort of get a similar effect by upscaling in tiles, but it’s not really a replacement. And I am confident that even if they put a consumer card out with 128GB, someone will figure out some new clever extension that does something fascinating and useful…as long as one can devote a little more memory to it…

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                I do XL all the time, at about 30-45 seconds per image. 8gb is surprisingly enough for SDXL, and I run like 7gb models with 3-6 Lora on top.

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        That one is apocryphal if I remember correctly, but even if he did say it, at the time it was pretty much true.

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      8 months ago

      Scientists in the 1800s also proclaimed we figured everything out and science was completed.