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    Journalism faces a right that has lost its bearings

    A right that’s lost its bearings should have to face journalism.

    But instead journalism turned around and called them daddy for the views.

    Thank you for reading this concise history.

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    Article says

    Clearly, you need to have conservative writers. But what kind?

    Counterargument: No you don’t. Conservative ideas are bankrupt, cruel, and/or foolish. We do not need to give them a platform.

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      Conservatives used to be halfway reasonable, or at least their talking points were. Now too many have gone unapologetically extreme.

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        Counterargument: No they weren’t. Many people were just more successful at ignoring it. Because it didn’t really impact them personally.

        It wasn’t unapologetically extreme when they got caught planning a fascist coup to overthrow and kill FDR? It wasn’t unapologetically extreme when they persecuted People for the last 70 years, ending careers and lives over people being socialist. (Insert black, non hero normative, or any other observed type of minority population)

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      Conservative eyes are too close together like MTG, too stupid like Comer or too far apart like Candace. Do they got somebody with normal eyes who isn’t a sex trafficker like Matt Gaetz?

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      Bill of Rights says otherwise. We could just do what PLENTY of other democratic societies do and ban hate speech but then you get those slippery slope arguments. Somehow we can make inciting a riot or inducing panic illegal but not the Great Replacement Theory.

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        Bill of Rights says otherwise

        Nope. The right to free speech doesn’t include the right to a platform to spew disinformation on.

        ban hate speech but then you get those slippery slope arguments

        Which are invalid, hence the Slippery slope fallacy . Hate speech is easy to identify and legislate against without banning legitimate speech. The people claiming otherwise tend to be people who routinely engage in hate speech and overly cautious neoliberals afraid of ever doing anything that could possibly be argued against in bad faith.

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          Nope. The right to free speech doesn’t include the right to a platform to spew disinformation on

          The government can’t remove you from a platform unless you’ve broken a law. That’s what I meant. Private companies on the other hand, that’s different.

          As for everything else I completely agree

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            The government can’t remove you from a platform unless you’ve broken a law

            True, but nobody was suggesting that.

            Now that you mention it, though, repeatedly breaking laws against inciting violence DOES make that a legitimate course of action. As would banning hate speech and rigorously enforcing that ban.

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    MAGA didn’t break the media

    Media allowed themselves to be broken by MAGA

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      Absolutely! The media could have stopped the whole thing in its tracks by treating it with as much respect as it warrants, but instead they legitimatized a fascist movement by pretending that it had legitimate points argued in good faith.

      The billionaire-owned media bears just as much of the responsibility as the GOP sycophants for enabling the madness of a malignant narcissist to become de facto mainstream even though their fascist ideology consists of nothing but ultra-authoritarian nationalism, scapegoating minorities and lies, lies lies! 🤬

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      Media chased money and maga led them in the right direction. Nothing was broken, it’s going exactly how media wanted.

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    First of all, vox, a “radical conservative” is an oxymoron.

    You are looking for “reactionary conservative”.

    Second, the assertion that

    Clearly, you need to have conservative writers. But what kind?

    Is just plain wrong. Factual, objective reporting is nonpartisan. If you asked me who a prime time news anchor in 1980 would vote for, I would have no idea.

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      If you asked me who a prime time news anchor on 1980 would vote for, I would have no idea.

      We are probably from different countries but I agree and interesting point.

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      by virtue of the fact that they choose which stories to cover, they are slanting the conversation.

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        Definitely. But the effort toward appearing objective was made, which in my experience is superior to Fox News, who makes all the editorial filters THEN projects a narrative until the ones it covers.

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          the most charitable thing i can say is that it’s possible that the anchors in the 80s didn’t understand their own biases. but i think they knew. we’ve all seen Network.