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  • Make sure you checked the comparison spoilers. In most cases a ki point is worth a 1st level spell slot. Sometimes a tax is added because of the short rest regeneration (see four elements monk)

    For a sorcerer 2 sorcery points can be used to create a 1st level spell slot.

    In your stated multiclass character concept, it would be appropriate to:
    A) instead of gaining ki points gain 2 sorcery points.
    B) regenerate half sorcery points on short rest.
    C) when a monk feature calls for you to spend ki points treat it as calling for twice as many sorcery points instead.
    D) change monk wisdom requirements to charisma or change sorcerer to wisdom.

    I would take even levels between monk and sorcerer since you do not need high level spell slots to achieve the goal

    I would then also make a double subclass that accounts for your level progression.

    If we assume the first two levels taken is monk your level progression would look like this.

    Level 1: monk proficiencies and saves, unarmored defense, martial arts.
    Level 2: ki, unarmored defense, dedicated weapon (optional Tasha feature).
    Level 3: +1 spellcaster level (multiclass spellcasting table), custom subclass feature 1.
    Level 4: +1 spellcaster level, font of magic.
    Level 5: custom subclass feature 2, deflect missiles, ki fueled attack (Tasha).
    Level 6: +1 spellcaster level, metamagic.
    Level 7: asi, slow fall, quickened healing (Tasha).
    Level 8: +1 spellcaster level, asi.
    Level 9: extra attack, d6 martial arts, stunning strike, focused aim (Tasha).
    Level 10: +1 spellcaster level, magical guidance (Tasha).
    Level 11: ki empowered strikes, custom subclass feature 3.
    Level 12: +1 spellcaster level, custom subclass feature 4.

    I’ll leave it there because you get the idea.

    There are some adjustments that could be made to the progression effectively making a custom class. See my “dead” levels, casting, and balancing post for additional guidance.

    1)Move the asi growth to the normal growth.
    2) space out the subclass features however you please.
    3) fill out half caster class table with the features gained from the first ten levels of both sorcerer and monk.
    4) retain feature scaling of monk features as if you were a single class monk.
    5) use d8 hit die.
    6) gain 2 sorcery points each level (regain them all on short rest).
    7) male sure to get stunning strike at 5th level along with extra attack. (personally I would cap stunning strike to once per turn so it doesn’t just eat all your sorcery points)

    Additionally make sure you aren’t getting features too early when you rearrange them to the table.

    Some subclass ideas: Hangover: when you; become blinded, deafened, or are reduced to half your maximum hit points or lower, until the above listed conditions end you gain resistance to bludgeoning slashing and piercing damage and gain a +2 to attack and damage rolls with unarmed strikes not made as part of flurry of blows.

    Quick cast: when using flurry of blows you may spend an additional sorcery point to replace one of your unarmed strikes with a 1st level spell (don’t consume a spell slot).

    Weave into martial arts: when casting a spell with a range of longer than 5ft at a target within 5ft of you, you have advantage on the attack roll or the target has disadvantage on their saving throw.

    Once you got it why don’t you show me for me to check out. I’m currently writing my own ttrpg so my ability to dedicate time to homebrewing 5e is lacking. Honestly I think the character concept sounds really fun and interesting.

    Thank you for your time.



  • Alright yeah, thanks for the breakdown. Currently I’m worried about current game balance even though everyone homebrews martials to have maneuvers for free anyway as of current… But this is useful feedback for me, as I think I’m in an outlier crowd who prefers combats lasting around 10 rounds but leaning towards more than less.

    Fire stance I think can be tuned down to just wisdom or just prof yeah. And probably treat immunity as resistance. But I added the ignore resistance because I think by a landslide fire is the most resisted type, I might be wrong.

    There are definitely options for what stats to focus on with this class, wisdom and dex as primary I think is the strongest but you can forgo wisdom entirely and go for intelligence or charisma, as long as you don’t pick the options that scale off of wisdom. And because of the heavy armor proficiency and the option to use strength for your ancestral weapon (even if it’s a longbow) you can build strength and pass up dexterity too.


  • Thank you, I spent a lot of time on this one. You think the stances are balanced as an at will ability? It’s what I had in mind for it to begin with to bring the bulk of the versatility since the discipline is long rest and sparing.

    The original version of left handed warrior was more flavorful than this incarnation. The original played with the honor mechanic a lot and was kind of skill monkey. The weasel is a kamaitachi by the way, a trickster who delights in the pain of others.

    The other subclasses I had for it I didn’t give lazy rewrites like I gave left handed warrior so they were mostly incompatible with this new version. I just wanted to push this one out because I’ve been silent for a while and needed more than one other opinion on the stances.

    I think i could play with the idea of subclasses that lean into one stance over the others. I could recycle the left handed warrior and make it kami stance with the kamaitachi ally and abilities centered around it.

    Anyway thank you very much.







  • Apologies but you are mistaken. Cantrips are not based on a specific ability score by themselves. Cantrips are spells and in each classes spellcasting section it specifies what ability score is used to cast spells from that class. Example, firebolt can be learned by sorcerer (cha) and wizard (int) and they both use their respective ability scores to calculate the spell attack modifier for firebolt.

    As far as what you are saying with eldritch blast, you are probably forgetting that eldritch blast is powerful for the warlock because of agonizing blast. Furthermore, the new version of the spellslinger uses intelligence instead of wisdom and has a much reduced spell list.

    Indeed at 1st level, 5th, 11th, and 20th, you should find that the spellslinger does have an ability to increase the damage of a cantrip. So their bonus damage will look like this (spell mod * x) + (2 * x) at level 1 x = 1 and x increases by 1 at levels; 5, 11, 20. At level 20 their spell mod should probably be +5 so the bonus damage would equal 28.

    The reduction of crowd control options is not a concern, if you look at this caster in the manner you would a martial. Indeed that is what I intended for this class that it plays like a martial character and what crowd control options does a rogue have? Or a barbarian?

    It is not just spell slots that I avoided in this class it is also spell levels. That is the intention.


  • Thank you for your feedback.

    The first version of this class I made a mathematical breakdown for because it was at first just a proof of concept for a spellcaster without spell slots. I had based it directly off of the fighter and made sure it’s damage output would not outpace the fighter, but of course between the levels 17 and 19 it did because cantrips scale at 5, 11, 17 whereas extra attacks for the fighter scale at 5, 11, 20.

    While the damage was balanced against the fighter save for the problematic blade cantrips and an abuse of the wording for the classes damage boost using eldritch blast (the first version had every cantrip available to them) it outperformed the fighter by having more exploration and combat utility built into its primary attacks.

    I replaced action surge with damage break, reducing the classes nova potential. I hope this will solve the issue with it outperforming the fighter. I also removed cantrips that can deal damage to multiple targets from it’s list (save for acid splash) because a merit to the fighter is that with their consistent damage they can easily take down multiple lower CR creatures at once and that’s something that shouldn’t be intruded upon by the spellslinger.

    I will argue that there is no best cantrip for combat because most have effects that would make them more or less effective in different situations. Chill touch for example deals d8 damage which is not the highest damage you can get with a cantrip it prevents the target from regaining hit points, shutting down any regeneration ability. Lightning lure can pull a target into an AoE. And ray of frost can slow a target from advancing, where many monsters don’t have ranged options or have ranged options that are worse than their melee option.

    I’ll continue to work on it.








  • Oh I’m really sorry I spaced on this. I got a little busy and need to prepare for a game I was invited to play.

    That sounds really interesting though. It sounds like it would be a game full of really hard decisions. I don’t know if you are into video games or not but if you are you should check out triangle strategy, it’s got the same kind of political stuff going on as this setting you made.

    Anyway, thank you for this interaction.