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  • Warl0k3@lemmy.worldtovegan@lemmy.worldMeat is expensive.
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    19 hours ago

    As generally used, “overhead” doesn’t address the topic with a degree of granularity that takes the difficulty of preparation into account. It simply means the operating expenses associated with the business - wages, facilities and utilities are by far the three largest aspects, raw materials, consumables and related equipment costs are (depending on the industry) anywhere from a minor line item to little more than a rounding error. This is true for essentially every industry you care to name (I actually can’t think of an exception. Maybe NFTs or some related crypto nonsense? Though even those famously have to factor in utilities).

    TL;GTTP: The type of food you’re preparing matters comically less than where your restaurant is located and the size of your staff.


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    18 hours ago

    Sorry but… no, my point absolutely stands. I’m just pulling my data from HappyCow and TripAdvisor, but Jamaica has way more than thirty vegan restaurants. 141 that have enough of an internet presence that I can find them before this hangover forced me to stop looking. Happycow has an extremely convenient breakdown by area, too, which shows the regional concentration of veggie/vegan restaurants. And, if you do the math, ~90% of them are in high population density coastal towns with heavily tourism-dependent economies, which is what I’d expect to find (I didn’t control for the obvious potential sampling bias, but it’s a small enough country we can probably assume we’re working with a population here). “Specialty” restaurants, which category unfortunately vegan/veggie venues fall into in the western meme, are even more at risk of failing than the average due to the restricted market appeal, and so require a larger population (and economic base) to support them.

    I feel like my comment has touched a nerve with people due to my own inelegance while stating my point. I’m not saying that eating morally has a fee associated with it, I’m well aware of how much cheaper it can be to eat a veggie-heavy or full vegan diet. I am saying that dining out has fees associated with it, and that the cost of dining out has very little to do with the price of the ingredients (even for perceived ‘luxury’ meals like in steakhouses or hotpot) and almost everything to do with the operational overhead of running a restaurant (wages, facilities, utilities). Vegetarian dishes at mixed meat/veggie locations are a ‘money maker’ for the restaurant, because those dishes can be priced similarly to more-expensive ones but cost less to produce. But even that expanded profit margin is always going to be a much smaller percentage than the base cost of the meal, which is defined by the aforesaid overhead.

    I’m quite sorry that I didn’t make that clearer in my initial drunken 3am comment!

    Happycow breakdown


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    Overhead, really. The margins on restaurants are knife-edge thin already. Most of the cost of a meal goes to wages, rent, utilities and then the tiny sliver left over goes to ingredients and profit. Any savings from cooking all veg meals is thus completely absorbed by the losses from having such a smaller market, thus prices have to go up to make up the shortfall. It helps that most people are willing to shell out a little more to support their principles, though the cost is why you never see vegan restaurants in poor areas - people can’t afford the fee to eat morally.

    capitalism: it sucks!

















  • If I had to speculate wildly (oh nooooo not speculating-wildly, I hate doing that nooo…), the problem there is that they’re discovering their mum getting fisted, not that you’d be willing to do that (maybe their mum is into it, not judging). Spending three minutes in a COD lobby will confirm the existence of people that want to fist your mum, I don’t think anyone is particularly surprised by that aspect of the situation (except for the people discovering their mum in the act of getting fisted and, possibly, the mum). I’m not saying this is a bad idea, I am in a relationship with someone who’s sex drive is waaaaaaay higher than mine and being able to talk about that would be awesome! I’m just saying that ‘society at large’ is awful, and anything that doesn’t align very specifically with broad cultural values of something being ‘a problem’ is going to be overlooked or dismissed as ‘whining’ or ‘being ungrateful’ or whatever other toxic thing. Hence why that community doesn’t exist yet.