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Ah thank you for the explanation. Just got here 5 days ago, so some of the fediverse things still are a bit confusing to me. But no matter, nice to have it written up anyway, I think some of the sources are pretty good to confuse liberals about their beliefs, so hope people here can use them.
Oh really? That sucks. But if we’re blocked, how did @bionicjoey@lemmy.ca write in here through lemmy.ca? Did they just block us?
Alright since there is a claim here that you are cool with political opinions being voiced, I’m gonna assume that you mean this, and you’re not just saying so.
Now since you say that you are pro-left/socialist, I’m gonna assume that you are aware that the west/The US has lied in the past about other countries, and their atrocities? (Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.) Please follow me here, read, and then judge afterwards. I’m not asking you to believe me fully after a single post, I’m just gonna give you some articles from providers that you probably trust, and I’m going to let you form your own opinion afterward.
Tiananmen Square:
Now these are just the sources that explain this. If you look far enough you will also find pictures of dead Chinese soldiers burned to a crisp, strung up by the neck. These pictures are hard to look at. But maybe you think that the protest was just. Okay. But please understand that even western media does not actually think there was a massacre in the Square.
I’m gonna let someone else handle The Holodomor, as I don’t have extensive western sources ready for this one, and I kinda have to get some things done. But understand that a lot of us here used to believe exactly what you do. Then we read a lot about the history of these places, and came to a different conclusion. We are not just people who love murderers in here, we have come to our conclusions through a lot of reading, and a lot of discussion. We are critical of the USSR, China, etc. but we try to be nuanced about this. We understand that a state over decades will do bad things, and we try to learn from this, and try to prevent it from happening again. But it is sometimes a little funny to pretend that we are much more extreme than we are IRL, because liberals are a little funny when they get mad. Sorry, but that’s the truth.
As one of the people who just got here, I do kind of like that lemmygrad seems kind of closed off from the rest. Because lots of “leftist” places back on Reddit would eventually be taken over by SocDems or Libs once they got big enough, so just having a place where they just wont go seems nice. Dunno if brigading by libs is a thing that happens often here though? Haven’t been here long enough to know.
Yeah the good old joke about the west being so good at propaganda that “there is no propaganda in the west” is very applicable here. I know quite a few good people, who are just not media literate enough to understand when they are being duped. And to be fair, the propaganda is constant, and from birth. To be anti-NATO in a NATO country is not something you just stumble into being, you actually have to read, and actively understand how the world works.
Not trying to excuse anyone here by the way, it just makes me sad when people I otherwise have liked fall to propaganda. I hope they learn, they are still young, and god knows I had some stupid beliefs when I was 18-20 years old.
Edit: Pronouns, sorry
Well it is nice to write about politics without having 20 libs in my replies saying that I am supporting the death of the 86 billion people killed by Communism hahaha. I like it, it’s definitely better for my mood, and my eyes finally get to relax after having to roll them every time I scroll through the comments on Reddit.