@Jayjader salut je l’ai pas vu mais je trouvais le texte interessant et c’est dans ma bucket list de truc à faire et à voir :)

@Al_Ekart Merci, il connait surement toute la série Bilal. Très bonne BD, c’est une peinture très expressive. :) Je n’ai lu brièvement que le premier. Après je me souviens surtout de la cité qui n’existaient pas avec l’Art nouveau et pierre christin.

Aparté, le film de SF les immortels est bien. @forumlibre

@wazoox Vermeer ? La chance c’est très beau ​:pika_love:​

@timewarp

Yes we should add social factor per country.

You weren’t talking about those but about manga in general and compared them to meth. Which somewhat annoy me.

I apologize, i don’t want to talk about child abuse. I won’t be able to bear it, so for my mental health i prefer to avoid this topic. It’s too heavy, i hope you will understand.

Those i mentionned above are also stories told to people. They also can pollute the mind as you said. Why should we exclude them ?

We can talk about marvel movie and the body stereotype, we can talk about newpapers that influence people mood and beliefs and may induce them into violence and hate crime…the topic is broad.

We can also talk about meth destroying people life, drug market, gun market, farmers forced to grow some plants, ecological problem related to tabacco…

So, I still don’t think you can compare manga seller to meth seller.

However, you can talk about stories wether they are picture or text. How they influence people’s beliefs. It also involve history book, newpapers, media…its a very interesting topic.

Or another topic : capitalism. The way manga are geared is due to the current competition. You have to make sure anyone will buy your production. Otherwise you can’t pay your rent, your meal…so the current problem isn’t related to manga but society and its economical system.

Well, i suggest we stop there. It’s the weekend.

I wanted to raise awareness about manga production and working condition. Manga editor can improve them by raising the deadline and slowing down the production. Also most drawing autor suffer hand injury…

Your point was the influence of manga in society. It’s an interesting topic. :)

@timewarp

I read plenty books about magics, cyperpunk, fantasy, there is lot battle. I also played lot violent video game and became the most dangerous man in the world.

I never killed anyone. Nor tried jumping from a window with a broom. Japanese read mangas daily, play lot video games…

However, we can talk about the bible.

@timewarp Meth are drug and heavily modify body function. Drawing don’t do that. But i only agree on one point, their working condition are poor.

Manga are drawing that require long practice to reach a certain quality and speed.

Whilemost artist working condition is poor and they put their blood and sweat to gain a living, editor cannot be compared to dealer from an ethical stance, they doesn’t provok addiction, nor participate in gun traffic.

Futhermore, you may not like manga but don’t call them junk. It’s very hard to draw a good line as they do. You won’t be able to reach it after years of daily practice.

They draw and create story because human love story. The bible, the egyptian, the trajan columns, movies…and yes they have to make money since our daily live is tied to this economical system.

However, if you don’t have any passion for drawing you will quickly abandon it. They will draw even if their hand hurt. And manga publisher do they best to know their public and sell story. Bakuman manga sum it up well.

@timewarp sorry, i don’t get your point. Why are you talking about drug ?