• smeg
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    2 months ago

    This is what happens when the mathematicians spend too much time thinking without any practical applications. Madness!

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      2 months ago

      The idea that something not practical is also not important is very sad to me. I think the least practical thing that humans do is by far the most important: trying to figure out what the fuck all this really means. We do it through art, religion, science, and… you guessed it, pure math. and I should include philosophy, I guess.

      I sure wouldn’t want to live in a world without those! Except maybe religion.

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      2 months ago

      Just like they did with that stupid calculus that… checks notes… made possible all of the complex electronics used in technology today. Not having any practical applications currently does not mean it never will

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        2 months ago

        I’d love to see the practical applications of someone taking 360 pages to justify that 1+1=2

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          The practical application isn’t the proof that 1+1=2. That’s just a side-effect. The application was building a framework for proving mathematical statements. At the time the principia were written, Maths wasn’t nearly as grounded in demonstrable facts and reason as it is today. Even though the principia failed (for reasons to be developed some 30 years later), the idea that every proposition should be proven from as few and as simple axioms as possible prevailed.

          Now if you’re asking: Why should we prove math? Then the answer is: All of physics.

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            2 months ago

            The answer to the last question is even simpler and broader than that. Math should be proven because all of science should be proven. That is what separates modern science from delusion and self-deception

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          It lays the foundations for automated proof verification, which is going to help with the development of new theorems as well as automated reasoning about computer programs.

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            2 months ago

            But like… what does the proof even entail? I feel if you asked a child (or maybe me) what the proof was they’d say “well the definition of those two numbers, and the definition of plus means that 1+1=2”. What else is there?

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              Proving it from the definition is quite easy. The hard part is to build up all the concepts that you need to define the numbers and the operation in the first place. What exactly that entails depends on what axiom system and system of logic you are using. For example, here is the Metamath proof of 1 + 1 = 2, where you can click to see all the axioms, definitions and theorems involved.

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                2 months ago

                I don’t even know where to start with that page. I feel like the curtain has really been pulled back today!