The governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Iran appeared to blame Israel for its escalating conflict with Hamas on Saturday. The Palestinian militant group launched a mass attack on Israeli forces …
When you treat people like shit for years, don’t be surprised if they fight back.
Israel has constantly held these people under the heel. Which is a bit rich when you think about all the wringing hands and what have you when anyone mentions the holocaust and the hard time Jews got in Europe before WWII.
I used to think Israel was the hard done by party here, over the last 30 odd years I’ve come to realise Israel are not the shining example of perfection they’d like us all to believe.
Do you have specific instances of Israel actually targeting civilians when they’re not being used as human shields? They’ve bombed civilian buildings, but usually because Hamas uses those buildings to house weapons. And with roof knocking/alerts, they are at least making some effort to limit collateral damage
I’m not going to defend forcefully displacing innocents, obviously that is an atrocity in its own right. But it’s not indiscriminate killing like people are claiming.
No it’s not indiscriminate…it’s genocide. Systematic elimination of Gaza.
Let’s have this discussion once Israel levels it and Gaza is gone. That’s where this is headed.
Also that “events of the past” vs “events of the current” dichotomy is just some S-tier mental gymnastics. It’s all in the past. The Hamas attack, Israel’s more recent attack that also killed loads of civilians. If you know about the event, then it’s already happened. That’s just how time works.
They’re just choosing some arbitrary point in the past to start counting so they can claim one side is the victim and the other are the terrorists, but they’re pretending to have some objective basis for it although that falls down the moment you look at it.
Well let’s go all the way back then. What does the Israelis own history say vis a vis the Bible / Torah? Oh yeah it says the cannaanites were there first and the only claim they have to that land is literally " we know u were here but god told us this is ours"
I mean are you suggesting that it would be a better tactic for hamas to engage in pitched battles with the IDF? Come on. If we accept that they have the right to fight we’re gonna have to come to terms with the fact that they are not in a position to engage in peer vs peer combat. Everything they do will be asymmetrical.
Honestly the fact that neither side has stood in an honourable square formation and shot musket laden volley after volley into each other says a lot about how barbaric they are.
I don’t think you understand what asymmetrical warfare means, it usually doesn’t involve massacring and torturing civilians for zero strategic gain. That’s just terrorism
Assymetric warfare would generally include targets of some military value. There’s some overlap but calling this justified in any way is just providing cover for Hamas to do whatever they want.
If you want to argue honestly, Hamas has done nothing but exploit and screw over the Palestinian people. They’ve destroyed any future for Gaza and caused their own people to die, again and again.
How is me explaining that the idea of engaging in pitched battles anywhere close to me justifying fucking anything, or propping up hamas. Like most zionists you are completely incapable of actually engaging.
When you treat people like shit for years, don’t be surprised if they fight back.
Israel has constantly held these people under the heel. Which is a bit rich when you think about all the wringing hands and what have you when anyone mentions the holocaust and the hard time Jews got in Europe before WWII.
I used to think Israel was the hard done by party here, over the last 30 odd years I’ve come to realise Israel are not the shining example of perfection they’d like us all to believe.
deleted by creator
Israel has been going after Palestinian civilians for decades.
So you also admit Israel is a terrorist state and that they have zero credibility?
Do you have specific instances of Israel actually targeting civilians when they’re not being used as human shields? They’ve bombed civilian buildings, but usually because Hamas uses those buildings to house weapons. And with roof knocking/alerts, they are at least making some effort to limit collateral damage
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/05/worlds-eyes-us-election-israel-bulldozes-west-bank-village-biggest-single-demolition
Look at the maps. This is genocide. Over and over Israel bullzodes and kills Palestinians and steals their lands.
I’m not going to defend forcefully displacing innocents, obviously that is an atrocity in its own right. But it’s not indiscriminate killing like people are claiming.
No it’s not indiscriminate…it’s genocide. Systematic elimination of Gaza. Let’s have this discussion once Israel levels it and Gaza is gone. That’s where this is headed.
deleted by creator
They just pointed out how using your logic neither side has any credibility due to their subjugation and murdering of innocent civilians.
Except in this case both parties actively go beyond the boundaries of what’s acceptable to the rest of humanity
Also that “events of the past” vs “events of the current” dichotomy is just some S-tier mental gymnastics. It’s all in the past. The Hamas attack, Israel’s more recent attack that also killed loads of civilians. If you know about the event, then it’s already happened. That’s just how time works.
They’re just choosing some arbitrary point in the past to start counting so they can claim one side is the victim and the other are the terrorists, but they’re pretending to have some objective basis for it although that falls down the moment you look at it.
Well let’s go all the way back then. What does the Israelis own history say vis a vis the Bible / Torah? Oh yeah it says the cannaanites were there first and the only claim they have to that land is literally " we know u were here but god told us this is ours"
Removed by mod
I mean are you suggesting that it would be a better tactic for hamas to engage in pitched battles with the IDF? Come on. If we accept that they have the right to fight we’re gonna have to come to terms with the fact that they are not in a position to engage in peer vs peer combat. Everything they do will be asymmetrical.
Honestly the fact that neither side has stood in an honourable square formation and shot musket laden volley after volley into each other says a lot about how barbaric they are.
I don’t think you understand what asymmetrical warfare means, it usually doesn’t involve massacring and torturing civilians for zero strategic gain. That’s just terrorism
If you think there’s a difference between terrorism and asymmetric warfare I don’t think you should be lecturing anyone.
Assymetric warfare would generally include targets of some military value. There’s some overlap but calling this justified in any way is just providing cover for Hamas to do whatever they want.
If you want to argue honestly, Hamas has done nothing but exploit and screw over the Palestinian people. They’ve destroyed any future for Gaza and caused their own people to die, again and again.
How is me explaining that the idea of engaging in pitched battles anywhere close to me justifying fucking anything, or propping up hamas. Like most zionists you are completely incapable of actually engaging.
Removed by mod
And we can condemn the Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity as well.
Yep. Israel does commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. As does hamas.
Removed by mod
Israel is an apartheid state. They are reaping what they have sown.
Rubber band is snapping back
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
I didn’t say it was justified. You need to calm down. Goodbye.
Removed by mod